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Old 20th Mar 2018, 14:46
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A rethink to what? Storing more really expensive Type IV fluid that has to come in by boat in the first place plus the training required for the application... This is the channel islands we are talking about not Heathrow.....
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 15:39
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Originally Posted by Jetscream 32 View Post
A rethink to what? Storing more really expensive Type IV fluid that has to come in by boat in the first place plus the training required for the application... This is the channel islands we are talking about not Heathrow.....
It should also be remembered that Guernsey cannot tolerate any contamination to the water supply with all run-off collected and routed to the reservoir for drinking water. Remember the PFOS incident - the contaminated soil is still stored at the airport. This may well be the reason de-icer needs to be water soluble.
PS This is the Aurigny thread, not Guernsey Airport. Further discussion of this topic should be continued there.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 18:17
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Does anyone know if Aurigny's E195 is actually profitable, it seems strange that them along with Eastern Airways UK operate only 1 Embraer as well considering Flybe have 9 of them on very expensive leases.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 18:26
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Eastern Airways operate two Embraer 170.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 18:37
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Eastern Airways operate two Embraer 170.
oh right, my mistake :P
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 19:29
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Does anyone know if Aurigny's E195 is actually profitable, it seems strange that them along with Eastern Airways UK operate only 1 Embraer as well considering Flybe have 9 of them on very expensive leases.
AUR, as an airline, is not profitable & is bailed out by the Guernsey taxpayer every year. With this in mind, I should think that the E195 is not profitable either. Gatwick - Guernsey is the only regular route that it operates & is their most frequent & important route . So, I would guess from this fact that it is unprofitable. AUR only have 1 E195 because they do not have any other routes which would justify the use of another one, & there is not the demand on the Gatwick route that would justify a second a/c.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 19:33
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No need for another jet.

The E195 operates 4 rotations daily to Gatwick and back. It is supplemented by up to 3 ATR72 a day on the route. This gives the required number of seats per day on the route. The Gatwick route makes a profit for Aurigny unlike most of its others to Stansted, East Midlands, Bristol and Manchester from GCI, which are all marginal with pax numbers only justifying an ATR 72. There is no requirement for an additional jet in the fleet as its load factor would be well under 50% most of the time.
PS Not true that Gatwick is only regular route: Man is X2 daily, others are at X1 daily except at very off peak times.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 19:57
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Just to clarify what I said, Pete; Guernsey - Gatwick is the only regular route that the E195 operates. I think I am correct in that statement.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 20:07
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Originally Posted by cobopete View Post
The E195 operates 4 rotations daily to Gatwick and back. It is supplemented by up to 3 ATR72 a day on the route. This gives the required number of seats per day on the route. The Gatwick route makes a profit for Aurigny unlike most of its others to Stansted, East Midlands, Bristol and Manchester from GCI, which are all marginal with pax numbers only justifying an ATR 72. There is no requirement for an additional jet in the fleet as its load factor would be well under 50% most of the time.
PS Not true that Gatwick is only regular route: Man is X2 daily, others are at X1 daily except at very off peak times.
I was only asking about if the E195 was profitable, Myself I hardly see the need for it they would have been better off to contract out the route to Flybe who have plenty of capacity.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 20:30
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest View Post
I was only asking about if the E195 was profitable, Myself I hardly see the need for it they would have been better off to contract out the route to Flybe who have plenty of capacity.
You are correct Kockayne, although the 195 was briefly used on a Saturday service to Barcelona 2 summers back.

It would not be politically possible for the Guernsey government to give the "lifeline" London hub airport route to Gatwick to FlyBE who have proved in the past they are prepared to sell the slots to the highest bidder and leave Guernsey reliant for its international banking visitors to fly from Stansted or other "inferior" airports.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 20:36
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Originally Posted by cobopete View Post
You are correct Kockayne, although the 195 was briefly used on a Saturday service to Barcelona 2 summers back.

It would not be politically possible for the Guernsey government to give the "lifeline" London hub airport route to Gatwick to FlyBE who have proved in the past they are prepared to sell the slots to the highest bidder and leave Guernsey reliant for its international banking visitors to fly from Stansted or other "inferior" airports.

True but Flybe did this to a lot of routes, Newquay to Gatwick which is now paid for by a government grant, Gatwick to Newcastle(axed by Flybe)
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 20:48
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest View Post
True but Flybe did this to a lot of routes, Newquay to Gatwick which is now paid for by a government grant, Gatwick to Newcastle(axed by Flybe)
Guernsey does not come within UK government jurisdiction so wil never get support or grant.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 21:19
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Originally Posted by cobopete View Post
Guernsey does not come within UK government jurisdiction so wil never get support or grant.
I was just saying that, not suggesting thats what Guernsey should do. Anyway as for you saying about the political impact of Flybe operating the service, Aurigny already has done it, before its E195 arrived, it hired in a Flybe E195 to provide cover, so why not instead of buying a brand new one and paying the lease, as well as having to train crew etc, why didn't they do a wet lease with Flybe, saving themselves money? It would have also been beneficial to Flybe who have an overcapacity in E195s both with crew and airframes, a wet lease would have given certainty to the people of Guernsey and would have allowed Flybe to make use of an aircraft that would otherwise be sitting in storage at Exeter or Newquay.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 21:45
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest View Post
I was just saying that, not suggesting thats what Guernsey should do. Anyway as for you saying about the political impact of Flybe operating the service, Aurigny already has done it, before its E195 arrived, it hired in a Flybe E195 to provide cover, so why not instead of buying a brand new one and paying the lease, as well as having to train crew etc, why didn't they do a wet lease with Flybe, saving themselves money? It would have also been beneficial to Flybe who have an overcapacity in E195s both with crew and airframes, a wet lease would have given certainty to the people of Guernsey and would have allowed Flybe to make use of an aircraft that would otherwise be sitting in storage at Exeter or Newquay.
Aurigny obviously calculated that operating an owned aircraft was the most cost effective solution compared with a wet lease with FlyBE; the current aircraft is extremely reliable and gives the Guernsey public all the certainty it needs. Utilisation by FlyBE of its aircraft is not a concern of the Guernsey government.

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Old 26th Mar 2018, 22:36
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Being a direct customer Aurigny received a lot of support from Embraer.

If I recall correctly an Embraer employee was based in Guernsey for a number of months.

This would not have happened if they had leased a Flybe aircraft.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 00:55
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Originally Posted by Geo73 View Post
Being a direct customer Aurigny received a lot of support from Embraer.

If I recall correctly an Embraer employee was based in Guernsey for a number of months.

This would not have happened if they had leased a Flybe aircraft.

Wouldn't have been needed if it was wet leased as the maintenance and insurance would have been part of the contract
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 03:23
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In any event is it not the plan for Flybe to phase out their E195s completely. The only sure way to guarantee operations is to have total control of the service. Guernsey has been left high and dry before, BA and more recently KLMuk.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 08:39
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ATR72 STANSTED INCIDENT
G-COBO operating GR627 STN-GCI declared an emergency after take off yesterday. The fault was a hydraulic issue. After holding in the area, the a/c landed safely but the flight to GCI was cancelled. Details in Hertfordshire Mercury and elsewhere.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 19:18
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In any event is it not the plan for Flybe to phase out their E195s completely. The only sure way to guarantee operations is to have total control of the service. Guernsey has been left high and dry before, BA and more recently KLMuk.

Yes because Flybe have no use for them, what I'm saying is that if Aurigny had wet leased, it would have provided a use for at least one aircraft and trained crew and would have saved money for Aurigny who have been loss making.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 21:32
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Ever since Air UK sold its LHR slots used for a GCI service, with the result of the LHR-GCI service getting axed, Guernsey has been traumatized and worried about a possible loss of its remaining "proper" London service to Gatwick. Therefore they are not exactly in bean-counter mode.
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