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Old 27th Jun 2020, 11:10
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Originally Posted by Jerbourg View Post

Mark Darby was on local radio this morning blaming open skies for Aurigny's losses, one wonders how much longer he can pull the wool over the Governments eyes to hide his (IMO) bad management..?
You mean he wasn't yet blaming COVID ?? :-)
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 11:19
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Originally Posted by kcockayne View Post
since it was introduced, hardly any new routes have opened up
Heathrow, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Southend, Bournemouth, Liverpool, Cardiff.... OK... not all were successful and most will not re-appear after COVID. But probably none of them, with the exception of the Scottish routes, would probably have started up without the Quasi Open Skies policy. Aurigny would have blocked them all and BI would have blocked Bournemouth. And yet those two airlines are infamous for trying compete against each other. And Aurigny themselves, not only entering routes served by BI, also launched routes that competed with and drew traffic from their other routes, i.e. Norwich, Leeds and LCY.

But, at the end of the day, I am very much in favour of a state-owned airline, to protect a jurisdiction's interests, ( just as the harbour and airport is and just as I think a public-sector ferry service would be of benefit ).... it just needs better ( much better ) management. :-(
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 11:28
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Originally Posted by Jerbourg View Post
I see they have applied (again) for 56 weekly slots at LHR for winter 2020/21
I expect that once again they won't get them, even though there maybe slots becoming available in the post-Covid era.

If they do get them, I expect they will lose millions. They will once again take traffic away from the Gatwick route, and if they compete once again on the Southampton route, that, in turn will draw traffic from bith Gatwick and Southampton. Airport charges at Heathrow are so much more than Gatwick... and Aurigny have no interline/code-share/jv agreements and that is imperative for both LHR and LCY. Get a jv agreement with BA, and one is talking a different matter : shift all Aurigny booking onto the BA website and have through connections worldwide via Manchester and Heathrow.

Wonder what will happen with the Birmingham route. Will it go ahead, will it replace EMA or will Aurigny try and serve both ?
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 16:51
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Nuweiba, once again I have to agree with you - some new routes have resulted from “Open Skies” - I should have specified “viable new routes”. However, I do not think that most of the routes that you quoted are particularly “viable”. At the best, they are summer only routes & operate maybe once or twice a week. The main exception was Heathrow, but that was only a “bookkeeping exercise” by BEE. I suppose that AUR could try & take it up - but that requires the slots. Whether, or not, they could make it work only time would tell. However, there is definitely the demand for this route to justify it being tried. As for the other routes, the opportunity for AUR to operate some of them is there but, they are not money spinners. Can AUR turn them into money makers ? And do they have the aircraft available to operate them ? Time will tell.
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Old 27th Jun 2020, 19:54
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Well, if they can keep a LHR route long enough to grandfather the slots, it would be a nice way to polish the balance sheet and to eventually cash in.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 09:04
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Originally Posted by Jerbourg View Post
I see they have applied (again) for 56 weekly slots at LHR for winter 2020/21
And 0 were allocated only applied.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 12:36
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Originally Posted by kcockayne View Post
Nuweiba, once again I have to agree with you - some new routes have resulted from “Open Skies” - I should have specified “viable new routes”. However, I do not think that most of the routes that you quoted are particularly “viable”. At the best, they are summer only routes & operate maybe once or twice a week. The main exception was Heathrow, but that was only a “bookkeeping exercise” by BEE. I suppose that AUR could try & take it up - but that requires the slots. Whether, or not, they could make it work only time would tell. However, there is definitely the demand for this route to justify it being tried. As for the other routes, the opportunity for AUR to operate some of them is there but, they are not money spinners. Can AUR turn them into money makers ? And do they have the aircraft available to operate them ? Time will tell.
I will miss that Flybe Heathrow connection. Found it so much more convenient for me. I like T2 and usually stayed at the Holiday Inn Express at T4 whereas before I used to use the Hi Express at Croydon when using Aurigny via Gatwick. But it relied on that subsidy from the States to keep it going, as the flights never seem to get ( on average ) over 2/3 full - it seems that when tickets went over the 60 - 70 quid each way mark, there were few takers.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 13:18
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Originally Posted by Nuweiba View Post
I will miss that Flybe Heathrow connection. Found it so much more convenient for me. I like T2 and usually stayed at the Holiday Inn Express at T4 whereas before I used to use the Hi Express at Croydon when using Aurigny via Gatwick. But it relied on that subsidy from the States to keep it going, as the flights never seem to get ( on average ) over 2/3 full - it seems that when tickets went over the 60 - 70 quid each way mark, there were few takers.

Agreed - last summer I used the Heathrow flight 6 or 7 times as it was really convenient and also Terminal 2 was a joy compared to Gatwick's South Terminal.

A few times on the return flight the loads were in the low 70s but I mainly flew back to the island on Sunday evenings which seemed to be mainly locals who had been in London for the weekend.

According to Isle of Man news, prices for the GCI - IOM will be announced shortly and the booking will be available from Wednesday. I was due to be up in Edinburgh at the start of September but can't see that happening so will probably go up to the Isle of Man for 3 nights for a change of scenery instead.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 14:53
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Interesting Jersey are opening up next week with testing on arrival. BA to resume flights initially to LHR then back to LGW

Have GCI considered this ; seems a shame they have totally cut themselves off ; I know their tourist industry is relatively small
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 15:49
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Originally Posted by bmaviscount View Post
Interesting Jersey are opening up next week with testing on arrival. BA to resume flights initially to LHR then back to LGW
Wow ! Just noticed that the Jersey flights are from LHR ! And from the 3rd July ( when the quarantine is lifted in favour of upon arrival COVID testing ) - I had looked just a couple of days ago and I am sure they were still being shown as from LGW, though from 1st July.

Lucky Jersey :-)

Have just searched further and it seems they will only fly 4 days a week, change back to LGW 1st August and then continue 4 days a week but with twice daily flights.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 19:03
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Originally Posted by bmaviscount View Post
Interesting Jersey are opening up next week with testing on arrival. BA to resume flights initially to LHR then back to LGW

Have GCI considered this ; seems a shame they have totally cut themselves off ; I know their tourist industry is relatively small
We haven't cut ourselves off - we have a daily flight to SOU & have done all through lockdown unlike JER, also unlike JER we got the lid on COVID-19 & have no cases - we want to keep it that way too.
An experimental twice daily SOU is soon to begin operated by Aurigny (along with a ferry service from Poole) with pax having to quarantine for 7 days as opposed to 14 as now. We'll see how that goes before opening up further, which I think will be around September. A twice weekly 'air bridge' to COVID free IOM is also due to start soon, this hopefully will bring a few tourists southbound as well as taking 'Guerns' north.
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Old 29th Jun 2020, 23:14
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I think the Guernsey approach is justified. We are back to normal here in our Bailiwick Bubble. We can travel between the Islands of the Bailiwick and the rest of the Island economy is running as normal. I can go for a meal, meet friends and family, go shopping and all without social distancing.

People can come in if they self isolate, for example returning to the Island or coming here to work.

I don't want it jeopardised just for the sake of tourists. Why undo all the good work. Our government is supporting the hospitality industry here and so are us locals. Lots of staycations going on at Hotels. Some are fully booked until September. Try and get a table at a restaurant at a few days notice and you will struggle.

I would love to go and see friends and family off Island but until everywhere else gets it under control we are better off keeping restrictions in place. It would be nice to see friends and family off Island but short term pain for long term gain.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 08:13
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Yes, Guernsey has been a shining example to the rest of the country - how it should have been done. Congratulations. Jersey has been less effective, but it is not too far behind. However, with both being small islands it is easier to keep a handle on matters & keep the infection rate low. Just look at Sark & Alderney, where neither had ANY Covid infections.

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Old 30th Jun 2020, 11:34
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Anyone know why the E195 has flown to Oxford today?
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 12:58
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Originally Posted by northsands View Post
Anyone know why the E195 has flown to Oxford today?
Doing Oxford - Graz - Oxford before returning to Guernsey.

Apparently it has a few charters lined up over the next month or so.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 16:27
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Doing Oxford - Graz - Oxford before returning to Guernsey.
Suspect that's F1 related?
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 17:43
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Originally Posted by Wycombe View Post
Suspect that's F1 related?
Possibly - seen that Oxford Airport have tagged a video of the Embraer on the ground there with #F1 and #Silverstone on Twitter

EDIT: Flight numbers were GR11 outbound and GR18 back - that would match with the race numbers for Perez and Stroll (Racing Point)
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 19:14
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It's currently on its way to Luton.
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 20:01
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
It's currently on its way to Luton.
Had to divert from GCI due to fog. She is due to do another flight LTN - Graz tomorrow as GR15 which is presumably why she diverted there
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Old 30th Jun 2020, 21:07
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GR15 Tomorrow, don't believe any F1 driver is currently using that number.
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