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Overview of changes for winter season
https://media.norwegian.com/uk/#/pre...r-2018-2555585
https://media.norwegian.com/uk/#/pre...r-2018-2555585
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From virtually nothing Vienna is starting to get quite crowded - competition at LGW with EZY, Laudamotion also starting 2 daily from STN up against Eurowings, Stobart/BE a few times weekly from SEN, EZY from LTN and the long longstanding BA and OS services from LHR. I assume this will replace the seasonal BA route.
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It's Boeing's new hangar. https://www.boeing.co.uk/news-media-...-airport.page?
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No, it's definitely a new Hangar!
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But I thought Lhr was full? Sorry, I forgot, Lhr definition of full which they have been plugging for 20 years now is obviously very different to common everyday use of that word. When it comes to finding slots to take routes from Lgw to prevent Lgw ever becoming a serious competitor, they have no shortage of slots. And thus the status quo remains, which results in higher fares for us out of Lhr. More importantly, no one in authority ever asks them to explain. All the PR rubbish about being full is just accepted at face value.
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the world's busiest two-runway airport
Anyone suggesting that LHR is NOT full needs a dose of reality.
Aircraft queuing up for 20-30 minutes to take off, stacking for ages before landing, and the existance of a "secondary slot market" that requires carriers to pay millions for a slot pair makes it patently obvious that it is.
Aircraft queuing up for 20-30 minutes to take off, stacking for ages before landing, and the existance of a "secondary slot market" that requires carriers to pay millions for a slot pair makes it patently obvious that it is.
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I'll tell you what I do think. Over many years BAA and then Lhr after the split, has done a fantastic job at convincing this nation that they are full and that only Lhr should be expanded. I could go back 20+ years , probably more and recall going around in circles waiting to land. I can recall waiting 20+ minutes to take off. So what has changed? A previous poster mentioned churn, name some airlines who have left Lhr and where slots have become available, not one or two but a decent number. There has been a lot of new services announced recently to China, where have all the slots come from?
Many of you come on here and joke about Lgw being the waiting room for Lhr and rejoice when a service leaves Lgw to move to Lhr. You want Lhr expanded, not Lgw. Lhr, one of the most expansive airports to fly through in the world and that is the solution you prefer. An expansion that in terms of cost is beyond belief, where will that take charges? And this is your preferred solution? Do you believe the story about all the additional domestic services that will become available, without anyone asking which airline will want to fly those routes. Where will all these new long haul routes be to?
The greatest stitch up by the establishment in years, plenty to believe them and nobody prepared to ask Lhr" you have been claiming for years you are full, where does all these additional slots come from? Explain your meaning of full".
Personally I don't want to see what will be billions of our money spent on a project that you and I both know will never deliver on all the promises made, because they have no idea what will happen. Lhr is almost in a monopoly situation and in any other business you would be protesting. Here Lhr supporters seem quite happy to sign up to higher fares for life. Amazing.
Many of you come on here and joke about Lgw being the waiting room for Lhr and rejoice when a service leaves Lgw to move to Lhr. You want Lhr expanded, not Lgw. Lhr, one of the most expansive airports to fly through in the world and that is the solution you prefer. An expansion that in terms of cost is beyond belief, where will that take charges? And this is your preferred solution? Do you believe the story about all the additional domestic services that will become available, without anyone asking which airline will want to fly those routes. Where will all these new long haul routes be to?
The greatest stitch up by the establishment in years, plenty to believe them and nobody prepared to ask Lhr" you have been claiming for years you are full, where does all these additional slots come from? Explain your meaning of full".
Personally I don't want to see what will be billions of our money spent on a project that you and I both know will never deliver on all the promises made, because they have no idea what will happen. Lhr is almost in a monopoly situation and in any other business you would be protesting. Here Lhr supporters seem quite happy to sign up to higher fares for life. Amazing.
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There is another argument for providing an additional runway at Heathrow, AND Gatwick and Stansted.....and a few extra stands for that matter....:resilience.
At present we basically don’t have any, as we see with multiple cancellations and fleets ending up anywhere but London whenever anything goes a bit amiss. Not to mention that we can’t even a World Cup charter off the ground from the London area.
At present we basically don’t have any, as we see with multiple cancellations and fleets ending up anywhere but London whenever anything goes a bit amiss. Not to mention that we can’t even a World Cup charter off the ground from the London area.
name some airlines who have left Lhr and where slots have become available, not one or two but a decent number. There has been a lot of new services announced recently to China, where have all the slots come from?
Adria
Air Jamaica
Air Seychelles
Arik Air
Bellview
Blue1
BMI - BA had to give up a load of the remaining slots
BWIA
China Airlines
Cyprus Airways
Kingfisher
KTHY
Luxair
Olympic
Pulkovo
Sabena
Transaero
Varig
Yemenia
Airlines come and go and capacity has been increased by ATC closer seperation as well as landing more than the occasional flight on the departure runway.
In terms of new flights to China, slots returned to the pool are given out in favour of new destinations which explains :
JD TAO-LHR A330 x 2 weekly
CZ WUH-LHR A332 x 3 weekly
GS TSN-XIY-LHR A332 x 2 weekly
GS TSN-CKG-LHR A332 x 2 weekly moving from LGW in Aug
This may also, I say *May* explain why CA's new CTU-LON service is at Gatwick, it was a BA LHR route 'til recently. There is no doubt in my mind Air China will look to move this to LHR and we know China Airlines are trying to get back to LHR as well. I love Gatters, I really do, but it is what it is IMHO. There are loads of cheap deals to be had out of LGW btw, Norwegian and BA are in a price war!
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Anyone suggesting that LHR is NOT full needs a dose of reality.
Aircraft queuing up for 20-30 minutes to take off, stacking for ages before landing, and the existance of a "secondary slot market" that requires carriers to pay millions for a slot pair makes it patently obvious that it is.
Aircraft queuing up for 20-30 minutes to take off, stacking for ages before landing, and the existance of a "secondary slot market" that requires carriers to pay millions for a slot pair makes it patently obvious that it is.
If there is that much demand for flights out of LHR then I fail to see why the taxpayer should pay for any of the expansion. I would allow LHR (and LGW) to expand as much as they want but only if it is privately financed - after all why shouldn't those getting the benefits of expansion (the passengers) pay for those benefits.