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Old 15th Jan 2018, 18:48
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Sounds like a big cull on the 737 Transatlantic experiment with various reductions and cancellations.
Wonder if more to come. Can't think of an immediate new alternatives they could shift these routes to. Im guessing for the likes of EDI with BDL Windsor Locks gone, only one ETOPs 737 will be needed now. With some of those loads Im not all that surprised tbh.
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EDI-BDL ends March 25: Bradley airport loses Norwegian Air flights to Scotland | masslive.com
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 07:27
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A shame, but not surprising. When it first started i questioned whether the demand would be there. Hopefully it means the a/c can be utilised elsewhere for increased frequency
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 07:37
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They are shifting capacity to Ireland, where APD isnt a factor + stronger links to America.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 09:26
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Newsdesk - Norwegian
Norwegian reports record high year-end traffic figures: Carried over 33 million passengers in 2017
Not record profits which is the whole point of the exercise, key point, they're going all out for market share and volume.

WINDSOR LOCKS -- Low-cost carrier Norwegian Air will stop its weekly flights between Bradley International Airport and Edinburgh, Scotland, citing delays in a Scottish tax break the airline expected.

The decision means Norwegian Air will completely pull out of Bradley. The flights began in June and will end March 25.
They had banked on politicians dropping APD to make money? Dropping everything from Bradley so quickly suggests they've not done their homework and are just throwing aircaft into markets to drive volume.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 11:23
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BGO-PVD also cut and freq is cut other routes at EDI with DUB/SNN getting extra PVD flights.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 16:40
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Looks like they're putting all their eggs in the Gatwick basket judging by the expansion.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 08:29
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Skipness 1E, there are many reasons for why an airline drops flying between two airports after such a short time, but contrary to many other airlines Norwegian tries and tests new routes all the time. Many of them can't fly, but there are some of them that can fly on their own. Over time Norwegian have developed new markets, but they have also big failures. You Skipness 1E seems to concentrate on failures, while other of us looks at successes - the glass is half empty or the glass is half full.

One thing is for certain, Norwegian try to develope the industry, not preserve it like some of the dinosaurs do.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 21:30
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Do we really think that Bradley to Edinburgh would have been a success had they slashed APD ?

Personally I think not.

I think it's a smokescreen and dare I say it, for a route that was badly thought through and was always going to he problematic.

Slashing APD would not have made any difference to this route
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 22:00
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My understanding is there are a number of reasons why Bradley was dropped. Its location - too far from either NY or Boston with a lack of support from the local tourist board, APD and a stronger Irish market.
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I presume there was nothing stopping them from switching BDL to SNN or DUB if APD was such a big issue... BDL was probably just a destination too far at this stage. It isn't all that far from PVD or SWF where their ops are focused, and they have the added benefit of NY and Boston nearby.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 23:21
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One thing is for certain, Norwegian try to develope the industry, not preserve it like some of the dinosaurs
Not develop, disrupt. Nothing wrong there it’s classic marketing. They alienate me with their Ryanair like approach to staffing which in fairness has been reigned in somewhat. Their smug anticipation that SAS would go bust with a shove from them I found hubristic. The notion they’d swoop in and fill the gap with a new fleet and sweep up experienced staff to work for way less make me look at them like the little vultures they are. Except dinosaur SAS didn’t fail and DY/DU/D8/DI etc have an enormous amount of aircraft they now need to fly which is EXACTLY why they thought they could make money flying EDI-BDL in December. I love a good upstart, used to love Branson but at the end of they day they’re just a business trying to make themselves a was of money. I’ve got a D8 booking and a 789 booking coming up, I am sure they’ll be great, but am not a fan boy of this sort of capitalism any more than SRB or WW.
Bottom line Norwegian’s expansion looks like a bubble that may go pop very quickly in the next downturn but that’s just my view. Launching the unprecedented volume of seats to the US in winter is just desperation IMHO. Even from a strategic view, they serve NYC out of JFK on a wide body and SWF on a narrow body. Argentina being launched, DY static, D8 getting smaller at LGW and long haul growing aggresively. i.e. retracting in mature markets where one would be expecting good numbers by now in favour of launching ventures in long haul. Am Scottish, glass half empty comes easily
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Part of the reason why the Irish market is stronger than the Scottish one is the very large Irish populations around the eastern seaboard plus the additional ADP levy in Scotland.

I think it might work better by shifting the Scottish routes to JFK or BOS but that would significantly increase the cost.

No evidence of D8 getting smaller at LGW 11 aircraft 3 to be used for Tui charter and some rumoured long thin routes to come

I guess the revenue from APD helps prop up PIK
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 09:22
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Originally Posted by GoEDI
I presume there was nothing stopping them from switching BDL to SNN or DUB if APD was such a big issue...
The subsidised Aer Lingus flight to Dublin is a good reason for not switching to DUB.

Shannon is a much smaller market than either Dublin or Edinburgh, although I could have seen it working as a summer-only route dependent on US tourists.
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No evidence of D8 getting smaller at LGW 11 aircraft 3 to be used for Tui charter and some rumoured long thin routes to come
Except they're using three of their own aircraft for someone else rather than for themselves or building a hub. Great call on revenue but strategically that's nowhere.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 10:07
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Still it is a smart move in very competitive market and guaranteed cash flow - BA does charters from LHR for Mark Warner and Club Med - I appreciate it is on a weekend when their own fleet is not fully utilised but its guaranteed income and cash in an uncertain world......just ask Carillion about the importance of cash !
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 10:14
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They are slot constrained at LGW and my understanding is that that these are Tui slots?

Further the flying of Tui pax does generate revenue without risk and is a good way of promoting Norwegian to people who perhaps haven’t flown with them before, the charter market is very important tool for reducing winter losses.

With regards to the EDI v Irish market a flight out of EDI to SWF on the 8th of Feb returning on the 18th will cost you £280.70 of which taxes and charges make up £142.80 meanwhile over in SNN out on the same day but back on the 21st (flight doesn’t run everyday) it costs £249.00 of which taxes are just £66.90.

The SNP had vowed to cut APD by 50% in April this year but this is now subject to a judicial review.

This market is price sensitive, most who are flying are students and families spending their own money, very few suits from what i have seen.

BDL has alway been the weakest from EDI
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 21:14
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Anyone heard any rumours of how Norwegian will utilise their new slots at LGW?

Any new routes to be announced? If so, will they be long haul wide body or long haul narrow body routes do we think?
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 21:21
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TUI program is now four aircraft for this Summer, operated by NAI (EI-reg) aircraft with TUI slots.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 05:50
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Any new routes to be announced?
Norwegian Airlines are launching low-cost flights to Argentina | The Independent
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