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Old 28th Jun 2018, 19:21
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly View Post
So they shave 1cm off each seat. Might just be me being picky, but would that really save much Fuel burn. Could see each seat maybe saving about 1kg each each so x 189 = upto 189kgs / around 400lb. All it takes is a few extra large passengers to undo all the hard work (assuming they could sit in the new seat in the first place
I think your logic might be flawed imho because the plane would still be 400lb lighter than it would have been with the old seats in rather than the new ones!
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 09:56
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Originally Posted by Captain_Caveman View Post


I think your logic might be flawed imho because the plane would still be 400lb lighter than it would have been with the old seats in rather than the new ones!
Yes the plane would be lighter with 0 pax, but as i mentioned, all the hard work of shedding the weight could be outdone by the people coming onto the plane.
Unless Norwegian are willing to weigh pax before embarking, then overcharging for the larger pax. Similar to a couple of Pacific operators i can't remember the name of...
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 20:05
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly View Post
Yes the plane would be lighter with 0 pax, but as i mentioned, all the hard work of shedding the weight could be outdone by the people coming onto the plane.
Unless Norwegian are willing to weigh pax before embarking, then overcharging for the larger pax. Similar to a couple of Pacific operators i can't remember the name of...
Surely the average weight of passenger is not just going to increase because the seats are lighter.
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 23:02
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly View Post
Yes the plane would be lighter with 0 pax, but as i mentioned, all the hard work of shedding the weight could be outdone by the people coming onto the plane.
Unless Norwegian are willing to weigh pax before embarking, then overcharging for the larger pax. Similar to a couple of Pacific operators i can't remember the name of...
If there are 100 passengers that weigh 90kg each thatís 9000kg.

if the DOW of the aeroplane is 45000kg and you add the pax, thatís 54000kg...

If the aeroplane has lighter seats and the DOW decreases to say 44750kg and you add those same passengers, thatís 53750kg...

Lets assume in both cases 5 Ďlargeí passengers board at a combined 1000kg...(chunky, but easy maths)

55000 vs 54750...the aircraft always weighs less with the new seats, hence it requires less fuel to take the same passengers across the same distance in the same conditions...

Itís very simple maths and when you scale that across an entire fleet, say 100 aeroplanes, thatís 25,000kg saved across the fleet in this example and some serious $$$ off your fleets fuel bill.

So no, the hard work isnít Ďoutdoneí by increasing the payload.

*The example is hypothetical and Iíve made no attempt to reflect the true weights of pax or the MAXí DOW
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Old 30th Jun 2018, 09:25
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Norwegian are saving 400kg on every flight made by the modified aircraft. No doubt someone with access to tech data will be able to calculate what that means in terms of reduced fuel burn. The only calculation needed is the cost of the refurb (including AOG time) v fuel saving. By adding in cost of capital, you will get a payback period, and management must judge whether that suits their financial objectives.
The weight of passengers is a red herring. Their weight will not be affected by Norwegian's seats!
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Old 30th Jun 2018, 16:34
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Every little helps, I’ve done a few flights where we were at MTOM the burn is way lower than the NG
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 13:06
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OUCH!

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...loss-1.3599405
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 15:41
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That surely cannot be sustainable without at least a rather large haircut?
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 18:42
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Originally Posted by TangoAlphad View Post
To be fair that is referring to only 2017 where they spent ridiculous money on expansion in all areas.
2018 so far panning out a bit differently..
That is (and was) the plan. The only real change at Gatwick for next year looks to be switching Singapore with either Sao Paulo or Rio.
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 20:21
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
Norwegian are saving 400kg on every flight made by the modified aircraft. No doubt someone with access to tech data will be able to calculate what that means in terms of reduced fuel burn. The only calculation needed is the cost of the refurb (including AOG time) v fuel saving. By adding in cost of capital, you will get a payback period, and management must judge whether that suits their financial objectives.
The weight of passengers is a red herring. Their weight will not be affected by Norwegian's seats!
i am afraid the weight of the passengers is extremely important. How can the crew get their weights and calculate the weight of the aircraft and the fuel required??
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 22:41
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Originally Posted by TangoAlphad View Post
Yeah that wasn't what was being said.

He/She was meaning that heavier passengers these days is irrelevant to the point that a refurb with lighter seats means it will be lighter than before, regardless of the fact that more and more people are fatties.
yes thats allright then lol
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 18:57
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Sounds like I've been Tango Alphad!

Your explanation was clearer than mine, thanks.
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Old 19th Aug 2018, 21:42
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Well it looks like the A380 might be back in September for an extended period according to the cleaners.
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 20:25
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Travel Weekly is reporting that all the airlines A320neos are up for sale - about 100 aircraft. Six Boeing 737s were also disposed of last week. Also the airline is due to start domestic services in Argentina shortly. Not very good timing considering the state that country is in at the moment.
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 20:45
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo View Post
Travel Weekly is reporting that all the airlines A320neos are up for sale - about 100 aircraft. Six Boeing 737s were also disposed of last week. Also the airline is due to start domestic services in Argentina shortly. Not very good timing considering the state that country is in at the moment.
It was always Norwegians intention to sell those A320neos as they never intended to operate them themselves. They had early delivery slots from Airbus and ordered them for a quick resale.

Older B737's are being withdrawn from service and sold on as the airline receives their new B737 MAX.

Both aren't really newsworthy as it was always the airlines intention to do so.
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 06:54
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I believe Norwegians initial intention was to lease the 320's out, but haven't really found a suitable market apart from HK. Its to be seen if Norwegian are able to make a bit of a premium on it with early slots - which could be interesting for a number of airlines with capacity constraints.
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 21:16
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Have heard whispers of a potential rumour that Norwegian to start domestic UK ops to feed into there TA operation at LGW
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 21:23
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Really

which airports could they be adding to make any real benefits for not flying direct

NCL,LBA,BHX,BRS,ABD

cant see it working but stranger things have happened
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 21:35
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HH - please tell me you're having a bit of a giggle with the idea of flights from Bristol to Gatwick...
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 21:45
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It's Little Red all over again.

With EZY, BA, BE and FR £10 fares they wont get any point to point traffic.
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