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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 16:50
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I don't understand your comment about Bournemouth was to lose Easy jet to Southampton "it will be curtains"?
Southampton are operating 3 times a week Geneva easy jet and from pricing enquiries this doesn't look a huge success at the moment.Even if this was a success,it doesn't mean Bournemouth would suffer unduly.Bournemouth will always offer Sun routes and further distance destinations,just because it has the runway capacity.
If Southampton was however to announce that they were to invest in the 450feet RW20 extension ( often mooted ,but nothing more),then I feel this could have a major effect on Bournemouth potential growth.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 20:44
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A 137m extension to take off field length at SOU would have very little effect on the performance of an Airbus A320 or B737-800 flying lounger than 2 hours at full capacity.

This issue is separate to easyJet trying SOU out. In my opinion this is not acceptable for BOH. EasyJet could potentially now serve all sorts of short-haul services from SOU instead of BOH.

Part of me thinks this is still fall-out from the Flybe SOU ransom holding when they operated from BOH.
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 16:20
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The bottom line is simple! Bournemouth needs more based aircraft and a level playing field with Ryanair! Ryanair, who have been in the press for all the wrong reasons this week, are effectively "killing" BOH right under the noses of MAG who have allowed them to get away with it! Ask the Prestwick Airport management. Other airlines "CANNOT" take on Ryanair and win. They killed Palmair who simply couldn't compete. Bmth needs an airline that serves its catchment area and offers local people the right mix of destinations, not a Ryanair who only exist because they have "slave labour" and hold many of airports to ransom! Nobody else stands a chance while they are around. I ask you one question. How much have Ryanair expanded in Bmth since they arrived in the mid 1995s? Over 20 years and just one based aircraft out of 400 they operate! Back then they had less than 20! Bmth desperately needs a locally based airline offering JER, GCI, a feeder to AMS, CDG, MAN and DUB and many more holiday flight options? Not Ryanair who have unfairly but legally snubbed out any meaningful competition. What the airport needs is somebody flying Embraer 190 type aircraft Flybe / BA Cityflyer / Eastern Airways or EasyJet A319s to the above destinations. Two based aircraft would do it but somebody has got to do it! Sadly the recent Flybe debacle was the final nail in the coffin I fear. Let's hope that MAG finally wake up to this Ryanair "bullying"! And why shouldn't BOH compete with SOU? There must surely be enough people living in the South to support both - not everybody wants to be forced to fly from a "bursting at the seems" London Airport!
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 16:52
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mrshubigbus....You require to think a little more concerning the MAG/RYR relationship in the round & not with your local view regarding BOH unfortunately...The other 3 airports in the group STN/MAN & EMA are probably the three largest RYR bases on the mainland,that perhaps suggests a commercial synergy which none of us are privy too....To suggest that RYR are effectively "killing" BOH right under the noses of MAG is emotive & gives the impression that MAG are unaware of their local & greater national commercial real estates....
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 17:09
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How much have Ryanair expanded in Bmth since they arrived in the mid 1995s?
And what do you think the reason is for this? Do you really think if there was money to be made Ryanair wouldn't be there making it? Or do you prefer some conspiracy theory?
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 17:41
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So, with MAG and RYR in mind, why then did MAG invest 45 million in the airport, virtually rebuild the terminal, build a new arrivals hall, expand the apron to 11 stands and put a CAT 3 ILS in??? Just because they had money to spend? It certainly wasn't in conjunction with the very profitable Northern side industrial estate? Was this for the odd diversion from SOU, LHR or LGW? Since then the low cost carriers have more than doubled in size whilst MAG had originally forecast 3 million, YES - 3 million pax from BOH by now. That would have required around five or six based aircraft yet since 2007 not a single carrier has added to that number. Either MAG had their numbers very wrong or something else has caused this prediction to crash to what is now around 700,000 instead. That is less than a quarter instead. Somehow someone got the maths very wrong whilst BOH has simply been left behind, unless there is another less obvious scenario? Remember BOH is just 20 minutes flying time from London, the busiest hub in the world but has completely missed the boat! I wonder why??? With RYR fares as low as 9.99 for a single flight can you honestly believe that they can only generate three or four hundred thousand pax a year out of BOH and one based aircraft? That's not what MAG believed ten years ago is it! Most folk around Southampton would jump at that / the minor inconvenience of a 30 minute drive to BOH instead of paying many times that with Flybe!

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Old 24th Sep 2017, 18:14
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Originally Posted by mrshubigbus View Post
The bottom line is simple! Bournemouth needs more based aircraft and a level playing field with Ryanair! Ryanair, who have been in the press for all the wrong reasons this week, are effectively "killing" BOH right under the noses of MAG who have allowed them to get away with it! Ask the Prestwick Airport management. Other airlines "CANNOT" take on Ryanair and win.
There are airports around the UK who would kill to have a Ryanair base and what they offer from BOH! My local airport CWL being one of them!
Ever thought the reason other airlines don't operate those routes is because they don't believe they'll make money?
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 18:18
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Now veering into the meaning of liff I guess.You pose questions no one on here will or can answer absolutely.
Generally with your quoted expectations...ahh if only it was that simple.You too could name at least two other airports with new shiny terminal buildings which are woefully underused but had great expectations..(that`s two book titles mentioned now BTW).
Because LCC`s have doubled in size does not extrapolate with & according to local wishes & aspirations either I`m afraid.
Lastly BOH being 20 mins flying time from London too is no justification to hope or expect....& anyways 20 mins for the aeroplanes but perhaps a little longer for the SLF.
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 19:01
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Bmth desperately needs a locally based airline offering JER, GCI, a feeder to AMS, CDG, MAN and DUB and many more holiday flight options?
Some time ago somebody did a list on here of the airlines which had tried these sort of routes from BOH over the years and are no more.

Would the Dan Air 748's in the '70s be the last operation that lasted a while on domestic routes?
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 19:41
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Not to mention two wide body sized hangars that could support hundreds of local jobs and dozens of airliners for maintenance if it weren't for one unsold 747SP and a 747-8 that flies just twice a month! But that's another story. Let's not mention the CL44 Guppy! That really will get me started!!! The fact is Bmth has two based 737s and passenger numbers of 700,000. That's not going to change anytime soon is it unless my crystal ball knows something. MAG however, must be charging those Qatari guys a lot of money! With Cobham doing less and less thank goodness for those rich boys with their expensive toys and other youngsters with rich Mums and Dads who keep sending them on 120K CTC / BCFT courses. Take them out of the equation and that would be 50% less movements while MAG carry on doing their best to kill off the remaining GA community. There's something very uncomfortable about MAG's ownership of Bmth Airport!

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Old 24th Sep 2017, 21:42
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To be honest think MAG is bullying Ryanair when it comes to BOH.

I heard a rumour that Ryanair promised BOH/MAG it would pay more after the Terminal and runway was upgraded and would base 5 aircraft. However after the construction was complete during the financial crisis Ryanair changed their minds. MAG told Ryanair they had to increase the airport charges to help pay off the debt and Ryanair told them to get lost - including literally removing the second based aircraft that they had just added and removed winter flying completely.

MAG knows that Ryanair makes a lot of money from BOH. But i'm afraid Ryanair will not be bullied by MAG. Ryanair definitely made money (more than just covering DVC's) on Nantes, Madrid, Shannon, Prestwick, Ibiza, Carcassonne and more but have pulled the number of aircraft based. Now we are left with just the mega profitable services that Ryanair didn't want to give up and have accepted they need to pay more. They will NOT expand unless MAG do something proactive with Ryanair and reduce the charge.

I guess we need to be thankful we still have a year-round based aircraft and half a million Ryanair customers?

*Not sure if it was mentioned previously but easyJet is starting BOH-GVA earlier this year on 9th Dec instead of 15th as previous years.

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Old 25th Sep 2017, 06:15
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Which proves that a five based aircraft operation would have been sustainable and would have created as many as 500-1000 more airport jobs. But that's history now and MAG have failed miserably to attract a single new based aircraft in the past ten years!
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 06:36
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Airports in the UK are required to publish their fees, these are always complicated but here for instance are those for BOH and BRS for comparison, and SOU
too:

http://www.magworld.co.uk/magweb.nsf/AttachmentsByTitle/BOHFeesCharge.pdf/$FILE/BOHFeesCharge.pdf

https://www.bristolairport.co.uk/~/m...017.ashx?la=en

https://www.southamptonairport.com/m...f-use-2016.pdf

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Old 25th Sep 2017, 08:52
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MAG however, must be charging those Qatari guys a lot of money
The 747s are parked there as it is much cheaper than parking them up at Stansted between flights - even with the cost of the empty ferry flights to and from Stansted.
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 15:39
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I heard a rumour that Ryanair promised BOH/MAG it would pay more after the Terminal and runway was upgraded and would base 5 aircraft.
Which proves that a five based aircraft operation would have been sustainable
Has the word rumour changed it's meaning? Even if true, asking somebody to pay the economic cost of a service isn't bullying

Not to mention two wide body sized hangars that could support hundreds of local jobs and dozens of airliners for maintenance if it weren't for one unsold 747SP and a 747-8 that flies just twice a month
Thought the hangars were built for the Jumbo owner, so not really denying any maintenance opportunity
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 16:42
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You clearly thought wrong then! Neither hangar originally had anything to do with the Qatari Jumbo owners! The first was built specifically for VC10 conversions in the early 1990s and the other for Nimrod conversions in the early 2000s! Then the Nimrod hangar was used by BASCO for airliner maintenance when BAe took over the contract at Woodford before the 747SP eventually went in there. Cobham eventually had no use for either hangar so now the two 747s live in both! An opportunity the owners couldn't miss! The two hangars together could hold a dozen or so narrowbodies or around eight widebodies. There aren't many airports in the UK with that kind of capacity.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 09:04
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You forgot the A330 Voyager tanker fitments for the RAF before Cobham decided they could not/would not do it and gave it back to Airbus in Cadiz.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 11:49
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Don't you mean Airbus in Seville rather than Cadiz which has no airport.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 13:04
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Got mixed up - thought the work was done at Puerto Real just outside Cadiz but, as you say, no runway! It's actually done at Getafe near Madrid.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 15:34
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Easy Jet have upgraded the Geneva service on the Saturday and Sunday to an A320 throughout the season
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