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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 19:31
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Have you ever been to one of their meetings ?
When they had them they had a lot of empty seats.
Now they don't seem to have public meetings which for a residents group is strange.
Anyway back to the news.
Builders are in and administration are down in their new rabbit hole.
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 21:17
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I really donít understand why such a small city/province needs 2 competing airports in close proximity.
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 21:57
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City was there first.
( Buys popcorn and waits for fight )
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 22:49
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Seriously can we not have this debate again. I'm waiting for the flegs to go up. Its like them uns up there. Shoot me now. We have two airports, get over it. And just for the record, we're a country, not a county.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 07:21
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If all delayed flights were forced to abide by the 21:30-06:30 curfew, then it just makes matters worse. If a delayed flight is forced to divert to BFS, then obviously that aircraft will need to position itself at BHD before its morning departure. No flights are allowed to arrive before 06:30, meaning there is no chance that an aircraft diverted to BFS the night before would be ready for one of the airport's 06:30-07:00 departures. Consequently these flights are delayed, causing further delays throughout the day, and consequently leading to the aircraft being diverted to BFS again. Think of the time and money wasted by airlines and airports for diverting all delayed flights.

In addition, the vast majority of local residents moved to the area after BHD recommenced commercial flights in 1983. These people actively chose to live in close proximity to BHD, so they have absolutely no right to complain about aircraft noise. If they didn't want to be disturbed by aircraft, they shouldn't have moved to the area - it's as simple as that. BHD made the right call by allowing delayed flights to land at the airport past the curfew.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 07:36
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Absolutely right. And it doesn't really matter what happens at BHD there's people on this forum who plainly and simply don't want it to exist for whatever reason. Any new route or growth is apparently as a result of some form of corruption or won't last and the slightest decline is supposed to be the beginning of the end. People shouting in here in defence of the poor residents of Holywood and Helen's Bay with swimming pool and room for a pony who apparently can't cope with the noise but would gladly have Emirates landing hourly at BFS, if only for spotting opportunities, regardless of how much noise it created for the people of Crumlin, Templepatrick etc who let's face have much bigger and noisier aircraft flying over, and right through the night at times.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 09:20
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Those recorded delays amount to 1 every night during that period. So if I had moved to under the flight path and read the agreement I might have put up with the noise during the day as growth is restricted. Also I would have said to myself that only flights after 9.30 in 'exceptional circumstances', but every night!.
Airlines who operate from there know the game plan and do so at their own risk/cost. Good to see that this issue is being looked into.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 11:52
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vrb03kt - for the love of all things holy, please don't start that particular debate again!

How long is it going to take the uncivil service to draw up a definition of "exceptional circumstances"? Maybe they could put it on the list of things for those wasters on the hill to sort out if they ever grow up and start earning their cash. They could sort this one out once they have decided on the definition of a victim from the last 30years plus.

Would the exceptional circumstances have to apply to the last aircraft movement? What if it was a knock on delay from earlier that was a result of exceptional circumstance? Its such a grey area that would be incredibly difficult to police and prove.

Why not adopt the London City model, flights can operate up to 2230 and then the airport closes - no discussion. That way everyone would know where they stand and the airline ops departments could plan accordingly. If the airlines chose to schedule a flight at 2215 and it turns out to be late then so be it.

Has Belfast City Airport Watch been resurrected again? Maybe Aldergrove has given them some more cash to start another campaign? Some of the stuff on their website is so far from reality it beggars belief. They claim to speak for thousands and thousands of local residents but yet have paltry support. The photo they have on the website of their members at the public enquiry was brilliant, I reckon 14 people max. If there had been hundreds then they might have some credibility, as it stands just a bunch of nimbys with nothing to do but complain. If it wasn't the airport it would be state of the roads, bins not being collected etc etc These are no doubt the same people that complain about the economy and lack of funds for projects etc but yet are happy to try and strangle a local business that is supportive of local jobs and projects. If they moved there before the airport opened then I have some sympathy, if they've moved there in the last 20 years then their views are irrelevant and vindictive. Trot off and buy a house beside a farm and complain about the smell.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 12:18
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I see the dearth of routes news has sent everyone into Norn Irn mode again.... Where did I put my popcorn....
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 13:08
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Dearth of routes news? How dare you SecondDog! you've obviously missed the news from Harbour about the fantastic few years they've had, must be true cos Ms Best has said it! Lets be honest, that new Isle of Man route in a jet stream is a complete show stopper, its always nice to see those years of hard work by the marketing team come to fruition.

Hold the press, theres a PA31 flying to Carlisle International soon. Passenger numbers to grow by double digits! That'll be 0.0000012 passenger growth I suppose?

Meanwhile if you want flexibility and choice to fly to London, get straight onto Easy or Ryanair, Harbour lost the plot with their London marketing strategy some time ago.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 13:33
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BHD may have lost their LGW, LTN and STN services over the years, but without doubt BHD is still the best airport for those wishing to fly to London. Both LHR and LCY are by far the two most convenient London airports - the other London airports are more hassle than they're worth. Aer Lingus, British Airways and Flybe also offer a much higher quality of service than easyJet and Ryanair.

Even when looking at domestic services in general, the high frequency of services from BHD makes it far more convenient than BFS. The only place where BHD falls behind is it's European offering, but at least BHD has links to two of the major alliances - BFS doesn't even have one alliance link.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 13:44
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A very key point indeed the ability to feed into an alliance carrier's
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 17:50
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Not sure if already meantioned, sorry if so but Iím sure a walk through tax free store is being created during the terminal works.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 19:23
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so they have absolutely no right to complain about aircraft noise.
Of course they have a right to complain. An airport is just a business that has to abide by environmental regulations like any other business. Indeed it is the public that make a special concession for an airport to extend its pollution outside its perimeter.

I'll be most of the local residents moved-in after the Sydenham Bypass was built, but they still have every right to complain about someone sounding their car horn between 23:30 and 07:00.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 15:11
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Who is operating the SZG flights this year?
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 15:24
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Believe the tour operator are only doing ad-hoc service and using Jet 2 as required.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 16:11
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There is a BE flight to Salzburg on a Saturday.
E175 arrives from BHX, out and back to Salzburg, and then home to Birmingham in the evening.

Not sure of the tour operator.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 10:50
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Belfast City Airport - £15 Million Infrastructure Investment
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 12:47
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This is excellent news and Iím sure they have plans to use the available space in a more efficient way. As mentioned freeing up previous admin space. Good job.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 12:59
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This is indeed good news, more local jobs being supported by a significant spend on facilities. I remember several months ago travelling through and chatting to the usual friendly security staff, they were saying that an expansion was planned for upstairs but I didn't realise it was on this scale.

I have to wonder though, how does this fit in with decreasing market share of flights and passengers? Is Harbour simply spending money in order to have a more attractive facility and therefore hoping to attract new business in future? I have no doubt that the new owners haven't simply handed over a rather large amount of cash if they haven't thought of a way to recoup it! Wonder how much of the spend is going on the "fleet" of fire engines, bet that won't be cheap!
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