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OneBellEnd 17th Aug 2017 09:53

Belfast City Airport-2
 
Still no sign of CAA numbers for Belfast City for June.


Most unusually inefficient and unlike them - especially when Ri Chun-hee is stating everything is going so positively...

panpanpanpan 17th Aug 2017 13:16

Maybe their Marketing Director was trained by Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, he was always a bit of a comedian as well during the Iraq War.:cool: He probably is as well qualified as the current crop of Marketing Directors, do a few weeks in a travel agents and bingo! Go straight to the top of the tree, have a director title.:D

OneBellEnd 28th Aug 2017 21:04

STILL no sign of any CAA figures for summer reported by BHD - and summer has virtually been and gone!

I wonder if the data has been shared with their newly installed shareholders yet, even if they don't intend to issue them publicly?!

GAZMO 28th Aug 2017 23:01

Passenger numbers are available on their website although no route analysis
http://www.belfastcityairport.com/Co...tatistics.aspx

A320.b744 28th Aug 2017 23:24

The passenger volumes graph is very worrying - looks like annual passenger figures will fall below 2.5 million this year.

I hope CAA stats come out soon - I'd like to see the figures for KEF.

mart901 10th Sep 2017 19:17

Plane from Belfast forced to return after being hit by lightning strike - Belfast Live

Alteagod 11th Sep 2017 19:57

Any update post the recent routes forum held in Belfadr

panpanpanpan 22nd Sep 2017 12:32

This thread is a bit like Harbour airport, very very quiet! Any sign of those elusive stat yet from CAA? Looks like a steady decline has set in and also more worryingly, looks set to continue!:uhoh:

Its time to have another statement from their propoganda director to assure everyone how well things are going and how this has been another successful year for Harbour.:oh:

West Brit 22nd Sep 2017 13:34

Basically it should be sold for development. There is no money to be made with 2 Belfast airports. The value of the site must be worth more to the owner if it had a change of use. This site would be prime for development as an extension to Titantic quarter, housing/office/leisure and sport. What an opportunity to create an urban village!
Most jobs would be relocated to BFS! BFS would be able to spend and spend on new facilities creating a very large airport the size of Glasgow!! Links to the airport would be improved....

Or we could just go down the current road of 2 airports competing for chunks of a relatively small market. With no money to invest in their infrastructure.....

mart901 22nd Sep 2017 14:35

And yet both have grown turnover in the last year.

panpanpanpan 22nd Sep 2017 15:36

At least West Brit has a predictable response!:roll eyes:

Where do you get the figures for increased turnover Mart? I suppose the big question is if there is increased profit? I wonder what the new Harbour owners are thinking, investing at a time a company is on a downward trend while almost every other regional UK airport is on the rise. It seems not a long time ago when Mr A and the team were on a roll and growing the business quite spectacularly, now there is a question were they just lucky or at that stage were the Aldergrove management just incompetent?

Fascinating how a few years can make such a difference, will it swing round again to Harbours favour in another few years or is the loss of the London market too difficult to replace?

West Brit 22nd Sep 2017 16:06

At least West Brit has a predictable response!:roll eyes

A realist!

It seems not a long time ago when Mr A and the team were on a roll and growing the business quite spectacularly, now there is a question were they just lucky or at that stage were the Aldergrove management just incompetent?


Yes, the runway extension? (never happened) It is a constrained facility if you haven't noticed.
KLM can't even get an early departure at 06.00. Holiday flights are restricted, with runway length and curfew.
So if there were other opportunities for the facility eg closing down and developing, would the owner not at least look at them?

panpanpanpan 22nd Sep 2017 16:40

I believe there was a lot of survey work carried out at considerable expense for the runway extension but it never materialised. A mistake not to push it through - most definitely!

Curfew is another area that should have been properly explored, from what I can see they are open late most nights anyway for delayed flights!

Aldergrove IMO played the long game with Harbour, protest at every opportunity, feed the local residents bulls*t stories and sit back and watch Harbour management panic. Harbour management for as long as I can remember do not fight back on anything, they simply adopt the wait and see attitude. The problem is while they have been sitting and waiting, Aldergrove have been out and about aggressively touting for business, the results are evident. Aldergrove is on a massive growth phase (deservedly so) and Harbour is in denial that their business is in decline. As I have said before there is only one airport now with sensible and flexible London connections and it isn't Harbour. Compare this to 5 years ago and the change is astounding!

I much prefer using Harbour for UK flights but the choice isn't there any more, any London flights I take I don't even look at prices from Harbour as I know my choice is much superior with timings from Easy or Ryanair. I am quite sure I am not alone in this.

Having said all that I don't believe the future is entirely bleak for Harbour but they need to get their finger out sooner rather than later. If the management and marketing has become stale and is no longer getting results then it is surely sensible to change it. It has definitely worked at Aldergrove!

West Brit 22nd Sep 2017 17:06

The runway extension was refused by planners. There is no flexibility in the curfew! Nothing to do with BFS but locals who actually do deserve to have a nights sleep. Guess what? there is a curfew at London City and even Heathrow so management will have to work with that!

West Brit 22nd Sep 2017 17:13

The runway was refused unofficially ie BHD knew there was no hope or they would have pursued it.

mart901 22nd Sep 2017 17:45


Originally Posted by panpanpanpan (Post 9900559)
At least West Brit has a predictable response!:roll eyes:

Where do you get the figures for increased turnover Mart? I suppose the big question is if there is increased profit? I wonder what the new Harbour owners are thinking, investing at a time a company is on a downward trend while almost every other regional UK airport is on the rise. It seems not a long time ago when Mr A and the team were on a roll and growing the business quite spectacularly, now there is a question were they just lucky or at that stage were the Aldergrove management just incompetent?

Fascinating how a few years can make such a difference, will it swing round again to Harbours favour in another few years or is the loss of the London market too difficult to replace?

Margins improve as revenues rise at Belfast City Airport - Belfast Newsletter

panpanpanpan 22nd Sep 2017 19:38

So whats the translation of that article then?

Despite both flights and passenger numbers decreasing, profits haven't taken the hit that is being assumed by all of us on this site?:confused:

Maybe while Aldergrove have went for sheer growth in numbers, this might not translate into the massive profits that we may assume.

I still wish Harbour had a Stansted or Gatwick route again, definitely would get well supported, not everyone wants to fly into Heathrow and London City is a tad expensive!

True Blue 22nd Sep 2017 19:47

KLM knew the rules when they picked Bhd as the airport of choice. If they wanted a 6.00 am departure, why did they pick Bhd then? Whatever made them think that they could such an early departure considering the location? Have they no experience from Lcy? Stupid or what?

cuthere 22nd Sep 2017 19:52


Stupid or what?
€519m profit in 2016. Or what is your answer

True Blue 22nd Sep 2017 19:57

Where did I question their profitability?


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