Cork-6

[Jack1985]

Preliminary EI S19

MAIN CHANGES

CORK ORK
Alicante ALC Increase from 3 to 4 per week
Amsterdam AMS Unchanged - 10 per week
Barcelona BCN Increase from 4 to 5 per week over longer period
Faro FAO Unchanged - 10 per week
Lanzarote ACE Increase from 2 to 3 per week
Lisbon LIS New Route for S19 - 2 weekly
London Heathrow LHR Unchanged - 31 per week
Malaga AGP Unchanged - 9 per week
Palma Majorca PMI Increase from 3 to 4 per week
Paris CDG Unchanged - 7 per week

Not yet on-sale which will more than likely take the Wed/Sun gap from A/C 001 is Dusseldorf. I would suspect LPA will continue and that Saturday times for ACE will be altered to allow for LPA/ACE on Saturdays.
This leaves scope for a new route on Wednesdays and Saturdays for A/C 002 coupled with increases on 4 routes (+ 4 weekly flights). Further changes remain highly possible. Aircraft gaps highlighted.

A/C 001

EI840 ORK0600-0850AMS 320 MTWTFSS 01hrs 50mins
EI841 AMS0930-1020ORK 320 MTWTFSS 01hrs 50mins

EI884 ORK1100-1450AGP 320 MTWTFSS 02hrs 50mins
EI885 AGP1530-1720ORK 320 MTWTFSS 02hrs 50mins

EI890 ORK1800-2020LIS 320 M---F-- 02hrs 20mins
EI891 LIS2100-2320ORK 320 M---F-- 02hrs 20mins

EI898 ORK1800-2030FAO 320 -T-T-S- 02hrs 30mins
EI899 FAO2110-2345ORK 320 -T-T-S- 02hrs 35mins

**WED/SUN**

A/C 002

EI892 ORK0600-0830FAO 320 MTWTFSS 02hrs 30mins
EI893 FAO0910-1145ORK 320 MTWTFSS 02hrs 35mins

EI822 ORK1240-1520CDG 320 MTWTFSS 01hrs 40mins
EI823 CDG1600-1640ORK 320 MTWTFSS 01hrs 40mins

EI844 ORK1725-2010AMS 320 M---F-S 01hrs 45mins
EI845 AMS2050-2140ORK 320 M---F-S 01hrs 50mins

EI868 ORK1730-2050BCN 320 ---T--- 02hrs 20mins
EI869 BCN2130-2305ORK 320 ---T--- 02hrs 35mins

**WED/SAT**

A/C 003

EI866 ORK0625-0945BCN 320 M-W-F-S 02hrs 20mins
EI867 BCN1025-1200ORK 320 M-W-F-S 02hrs 35mins

EI882 ORK0630-1025AGP 320 -T-T--- 02hrs 55mins
EI883 AGP1105-1305ORK 320 -T-T--- 03hrs 00mins

EI856 ORK1240-1620ALC 320 M-W-F-S 02hrs 40mins
EI857 ALC1700-1845ORK 320 M-W-F-S 02hrs 45mins

EI876 ORK1400-1755ACE 320 -T-T-S- 03hrs 55mins
EI877 ACE1845-2240ORK 320 -T-T-S- 03hrs 55mins

EI860 ORK1930-2305PMI 320 M-W-F-S 02hrs 35mins
EI861 PMI2345-0125ORK* 320 M-W-F-S 02hrs 40mins

**SAT**

A/C 004

EI710 ORK0720-0845LHR 320 MTWTFSS 01hrs 25mins
EI711 LHR0930-1055ORK 320 MTWTFSS 01hrs 25mins

EI712 ORK1140-1305LHR 320 MTWTFSS 01hrs 25mins
EI715 LHR1350-1510ORK 320 MTWTFSS 01hrs 25mins

EI722 ORK1600-1725LHR 320 MTWTFSS 01hrs 25mins
EI723 LHR1815-1935ORK 320 MTWTFSS 01hrs 20mins

EI724 ORK2015-2135LHR 320 MTWTFSS 01hrs 20mins
EI725 LHR2215-2330ORK 320 MTWTFSS 01hrs 15mins

NON-BASED - A320

EI713 LHR1200-1325ORK 320 -TWT--- 01hrs 25mins
EI714 ORK1430-1600LHR 320 -TWT--- 01hrs 30mins

[snn20]

Originally Posted by EI-EIDW

FAO is on sale at new times for 2019 and they have not included the W to SNN in schedules, AGP is partly on sale but current indications are SNN-FAO/AGP may be axed (on sale ex DUB/ORK/BHD). If that is correct thats an extra 7 (6 hour +) rotations.

LX, AF, IB, DY, FR, EI, V7 - daa have really turned the screws on Shannon.

SNN routes were the last on sale last year too. Not quite getting the highlighted point, 30% growth since seperation.

[840]

The bulk of Shannon’s growth was in the two years post separation, while growth in recent years has been weak compared to DAA airports.

The DAA has a fine line to tread with Cork. Too little growth and there will be calls for separation. Too much growth and It will be said that Cork could stand alone. Of course, it also depends on the attitude of the DAA. Is Cork perceived as a financial drain that they would happily lose or is it a defensive asset that allows them to keep Shannon in check?

[840]

Ryanair adding Naples 2x weekly for July/August 2019 with a Naples-based aircraft

[840]

Correction Cork-based aircraft.

Anyone know which route had a late rotation on Wednesday and Sunday this year

Gdansk, Faro and Stansted have late arrivals tomorrow

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by 840

Correction Cork-based aircraft.

Anyone know which route had a late rotation on Wednesday and Sunday this year

Gdansk, Faro and Stansted have late arrivals tomorrow

S18 late rotations:

• Wednesday: Gdansk, Faro, Stansted (as you say)
• Sunday: Malaga, Faro, Stansted.

[brian_dromey]

So far it looks like the second based unit is kept very busy and there is a lot of non-based flying. Overall its still 2 full-time aircraft and 1 peak aircraft, but with more away based flying - so the growth is more impressive than it looks. Thursday and Sunday will be particularly busy days.
Non-Based
BUD x 2/2,
FAO x 4/4,
MLA x 2/2,
Poznan x 2/2,
Alicante 1/2,
Lanzarote 1/4,
Malaga 2/4,
Liverpool x 3/4
LTN x 7/7
July/August 3rd Aircraft
BGY and NAP are timed for an ORK based aircraft
Non Bookable
Reus, Gerona, Carcassonne, Bordeaux or La Rochelle.
Santander is in the drop-down list, but not bookable.

Presumably some/all of these will also be operated by the peak 3rd based unit along with frequency adjustments, depending on bookings and maybe even a few more new routes, fingers crossed.

[snn20]

Originally Posted by brian_dromey

So far it looks like the second based unit is kept very busy and there is a lot of non-based flying. Overall its still 2 full-time aircraft and 1 peak aircraft, but with more away based flying - so the growth is more impressive than it looks. Thursday and Sunday will be particularly busy days.
Non-Based
BUD x 2/2,
FAO x 4/4,
MLA x 2/2,
Poznan x 2/2,
Alicante 1/2,
Lanzarote 1/4,
Malaga 2/4,
Liverpool x 3/4
LTN x 7/7
July/August 3rd Aircraft
BGY and NAP are timed for an ORK based aircraft
Non Bookable
Reus, Gerona, Carcassonne, Bordeaux or La Rochelle.
Santander is in the drop-down list, but not bookable.

Presumably some/all of these will also be operated by the peak 3rd based unit along with frequency adjustments, depending on bookings and maybe even a few more new routes, fingers crossed.

As has been said before, SDR was supposed to be a sport charter but Ireland never won the game.

[brian_dromey]

In recent days both Edinburgh and Belfast have lost their Norwegian routes to the US/Canada. In contrast ORK has maintained and DUB/SNN have grown. I wonder what’s different at the ROI airports? Tax can’t be the whole story - there’s no APD from Northern Ireland. Maybe Norwegian don’t want to give ground against IAG?

Originally Posted by snn20

As has been said before, SDR was supposed to be a sport charter but Ireland never won the game.

Fair enough. It would certainly be one of the more “random” routes - but you never know!

[840]

At the moment, there's no guarantee that Norwegian Air International will be able to fly transatlantic from Belfast or Edinburgh after March 29th. That could be a factor.

[brian_dromey]

Originally Posted by 840

At the moment, there's no guarantee that Norwegian Air International will be able to fly transatlantic from Belfast or Edinburgh after March 29th. That could be a factor.

Its possible, but Gatwick flights remain on-sale.

Norwegain, itself, is registered in Norway so dot directly affected by Brexit. Norwegain has a series of Airlines, registered in the U.K., Ireland, Argentina and elsewhere. Brexit might play in, but not majorly.

[snn20]

Originally Posted by 840

At the moment, there's no guarantee that Norwegian Air International will be able to fly transatlantic from Belfast or Edinburgh after March 29th. That could be a factor.

BIA Managment announced the other day that they pulled out..

[cork320]

Anyone know when we can expect the EI announcement that was mentioned a couple of weeks ago or if there is still one?

[Jack1985]

Swiss to ZRH goes from strength to strength, up to 4 per week next Summer operating on Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun (3pw in S18). All planned to be operated by the larger Airbus A220-300 configured with 145 seats. Service returns much earlier than expected from 31/03/19.

[brian_dromey]

Originally Posted by Jack1985

Swiss to ZRH goes from strength to strength, up to 4 per week next Summer operating on Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun (3pw in S18). All planned to be operated by the larger Airbus A220-300 configured with 145 seats. Service returns much earlier than expected from 31/03/19.

This is excellent news, the gentle toe-in-the-water has worked very well. I think the 31/03 is the start of the IATA summer timetable, so although seasonal it looks like ZRH could run for the entire summer? This is an excellent result for Cork, SWISS and the A220. I really feel the A220 has a lot to offer from smaller European airports (<5 million passengers a year) like Cork. Partly for building connections to Hub airports, but also for the likes of Volotea, who fly some random routes - like ORK-VRN. More of this please!

Not so long ago I used to dread seeing the Cork thread, "I wonder whats been stopped now". The disaster that was LCY, the (unfounded, Im sure) gossip in the region about the viability of the airport, pleas for Ryanair to re-open the old terminal, all sorts of madness. I'm glad to see the trend has changed.

[840]

One small note of caution on that is that up to 08 May, the services are showing as very expensive compared to the rest of the Summer.

From Swiss's previous, this suggests that it is their current planning, but not 100% confirmed.

Also flights are on a very different schedule from March to the start of May, with a very early departure from Zurich and a 08:45 departure back to Zurich and on Sundays's only, reverting to it's normal lunchtime scheduling for the main part of Summer. Those timings preclude connections as there are no scheduled arrivals in ZRH between 23:00 and 06:00, so if they are operating that, they would want to have sold significant seats to a tour operator (which I believe they do for the summer programme).

[Aisle2c]

Anyone know what sort of delays to expect tomorrow ? We're off to Bristol at 11.05am tomorrow, but with expected winds at about 90kph at 10am, that's probably not going to happen ! Am i right in thinking that the ATR is supposed to go to BHX first, and back ? Would Aer Lingus cancel flights ?

[840]

I don't think those gusts are forecast for Cork at 10am. That is more of a risk for the North-West of Ireland. The worst of the storm in Cork should have passed in the early hours of the morning.

Looking at the forecast and the arrivals/departures board, the biggest risk would seem to be to the 00:45 arrival from Malaga, which would leave the aircraft out of position for the morning.

Some of the early morning departures may be a bit delayed, but they should get away.

The good news is that the wind should be coming from the due South, so there shouldn't be a crosswind component to worry about.

[Aisle2c]

Originally Posted by 840

I don't think those gusts are forecast for Cork at 10am. That is more of a risk for the North-West of Ireland. The worst of the storm in Cork should have passed in the early hours of the morning.

Looking at the forecast and the arrivals/departures board, the biggest risk would seem to be to the 00:45 arrival from Malaga, which would leave the aircraft out of position for the morning.

Some of the early morning departures may be a bit delayed, but they should get away.

The good news is that the wind should be coming from the due South, so there shouldn't be a crosswind component to worry about.

Thanks 840, that's reassuring ! (Though maybe not for the Malaga flight !)

[brian_dromey]

Sometimes RE do use the shorter runway, its not common but I have landed on 25 twice, but it does provide an extra option if conditions necessitate and allow. I think EI did occasionally use it for the 737-500s back in the day.