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Old 5th Jan 2018, 17:50
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It would have been an E195 not a Dash 8.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 18:10
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Ah. More fool me for trusting the Eastern Daily Press and their photo.
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Old 5th Jan 2018, 19:41
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The media often use library pictures so never assume anything from photos in newspapers.
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 15:32
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Flybe Divert

The Alicante flight did divert to Birmingham

On arrival at Norwich the 190 FBEN had a warning come on whilst on Approach, conditions were damp on the runway, so a divert to Birmingham took place
where the aircraft was swopped with FBEI and flew into Norwich a bit latter on
Yes the runway is shorter at NWI, one day we get the extension

Hope that clears up the story
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 17:02
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https://www.norwichairport.co.uk/route-research/

Interesting post in their News section
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 17:52
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Everyone will welcome market research, but the wording of this smacks of desperation. Surely the airport will have it's marketing agencies reaching out to
possible airlines offering viable routes and incentives.

Ten out of ten for trying, but it seems a rather amateur way of promoting the Norwich facility.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 21:02
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There's only a finite range of scheduled destinations that are viable from Norwich and most of them are in place already. Portugal (other than Faro), Poland and Lithuania are not among them. Yes a good number of migrants from those countries live and work in Norfolk and Suffolk, but not enough to fill Airbuses week in week out. Also many are price sensitive and will happily drive down to STN or LTN to save a few quid.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 02:34
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Originally Posted by sparkie320 View Post
The Alicante flight did divert to Birmingham

On arrival at Norwich the 190 FBEN had a warning come on whilst on Approach, conditions were damp on the runway, so a divert to Birmingham took place
where the aircraft was swopped with FBEI and flew into Norwich a bit latter on
Yes the runway is shorter at NWI, one day we get the extension

Hope that clears up the story
The non pilots on here really show their ignorance sometimes.

...conditions were damp on the runway, so a divert to Birmingham took place


I have landed on countless 'damp' runways over the last 36 years. Can you please explain where I have been going wrong?
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 05:28
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Certainly a R/W declared "damp" "damp" "damp" even with a grooved surface does have a material effect on prospective landings depending if only on the direction & speed of wind relative to the R/W orientation.
Electronic flight bags in use & consulted AM yesterday with "heavies" arriving at STN.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 07:37
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...... and I believe that the NWI runway is not grooved. Sparkie320's explanation sounded reasonable to me.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 19:55
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Are you a pilot?
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 20:51
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Originally Posted by sparkie320 View Post
The Alicante flight did divert to Birmingham

On arrival at Norwich the 190 FBEN had a warning come on whilst on Approach, conditions were damp on the runway, so a divert to Birmingham took place
where the aircraft was swopped with FBEI and flew into Norwich a bit latter on
Yes the runway is shorter at NWI, one day we get the extension

Hope that clears up the story
Well I am sorry but is does not.

Your synopsis above is juvenile to put it mildly.

Damp runways do not prevent a landing.
Take a look at the rain on this landing at Warsaw.


If the aircraft had a serious issue that required diversion this will be an item in the forthcoming monthly AAIB monthly bulletins.

see here https://www.gov.uk/government/organi...igation-branch

In short more amunition to suggest Norwich Airport should be Alan Partridge International. The only UK airport where aircraft are grounded for a "damp" runway.

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Old 19th Jan 2018, 21:21
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So an incident on 5 January would have made it into the AAIB bulletin published on the 11 January? Your faith in their efficiency is heart-warming.

Never let the facts get in the way of a cheap shot at NWI, eh?

Careful, your agenda's showing....
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 23:48
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No agenda needed.

The facts speak for themselves.

Most diversions are due to the limited facilities available on runway 09.

Take a look at this which is what we see from the left hand seat.


Here is a previous example.

A passenger flying back to Norwich from Spain claims an unexpected diversion left him and around 200 others stranded at Manchester Airport.
The Thomson Boeing 737-800 was due to land at Norwich Aiport at around 9.50pm on Tuesday, September 26, having taken off from Palma de Mallorca at 8.17pm.
But data shows after circling around Norwich, flight TOM5249 was forced to divert to Manchester Airport, eventually landing at 10.54pm.
One passenger, who was aboard the flight, said more than 200 people were left with “no advice, help or direction”.
He added that some of the passengers had since written to the head office of TUI - the new name of Thomson - about their experience.
“Over 200 people were dumped at Manchester Airport,” he said. “With No advice help or direction.”
A spokesman for Manchester Airport confirmed the flight was diverted.
Thompson and Norwich Airport has been contacted for comment.
source...

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/airline-...ster-1-5215670

In reply to Planespeaking

Everyone will welcome market research, but the wording of this smacks of desperation. Surely the airport will have it's marketing agencies reaching out to
possible airlines offering viable routes and incentives.

Ten out of ten for trying, but it seems a rather amateur way of promoting the Norwich facility.
The place is desperate for new custom while ignoring why they lost so much of the old regulars like me.

I stopped flying in there with fixed wing and helicopters when the managment decided to make it difficult for private operators some years ago. At the same time their attitude to passengers took a slide. Just google Norwich airport reviews.

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Over 200 people on a 737 suggests something wrong straight away
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 06:54
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flight TOM5249 was forced to divert to Manchester Airport
You tell me who forced it and I'll go and sort them out for you ... I mean they could have diverted somewhere nicer than MAN or did they go for the Boddingtonjs!
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 08:00
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Over 200 people on a 737 suggests something wrong straight away
Ah, well there we are then; too heavy for NWI obviously! (mind you not sure Jay Sata does humour so looking out for incoming).

To briefly answer his question of yesterday:

I learned to fly in my late teens but didn't enjoy it as much as I'd hoped so didn't continue. I became a LAME Group licence holder (long since lapsed) and later a UK AOC post-holder as Ops Director. So no I'm not a pilot. I won't bore you with the rest of my varied and very enjoyable aviation career.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 17:06
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honestly ignore Jay Sata one day he might go away. Sounds like you have had a great career in the industry!
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 12:31
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nwi diversion

Jay Sata

When i wrote about the 190 diverting to Birmingham i did not expect such a waste of reply
was you there umm no so dont judge me on what i wrote ok
the fact are he called up on the radio with a fault, the air traffic controller confirmed runway damp end of
He asked are you diverting , yes if i can and went for Birmingham, posible cause there engineering there, fault can be checked, also runway length might been a factor,
the aircraft had actually suffered a pressure leak few days before and returned to stand before going on to Exeter
what the fault was, the reason for diversion who knows
but lets keep it civil and stop these silly remarks
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More Bad News From Norwich.

No doubt I will upset some more of my critics by posting the latest bad news.

This from todays Eastern Daily Press.

A regional airline is cancelling its flights from Norwich to Aberdeen, leaving many energy industry workers in the lurch.

BMI Regional’s decision to stop flying the route comes just weeks after Loganair scrapped its flight to Durham, with both carriers blaming a lack of demand.

BMI said its flights between Norwich and the Scottish city would stop on February 11 – a decision influenced by “changing market conditions”.

But a Norfolk-based oil industry worker, who has been flying on the route for 25 years, says it could spell trouble for oil and gas firms trying to conduct business along the east coast.
BMI’s sister company Loganair said in December that low passenger numbers had led it to stop operating its Norwich-Durham route, but a BMI spokesman said the actions were not connected.
The oil industry worker, who wished to remain anonymous, told this newspaper that the route’s cancellation would inconvenience him and others working in the sector – particularly as the oil and gas industry in the North Sea is beginning to recover and passenger demand could consequently grow.
“Considering this part of the world has major business ties with that part of Scotland it seems odd,” he said.

“It seems strange to keep [the flights] on through the worst of times for the oil industry and scrap them now.”

Eastern Airways, which signed a codesharing agreement with Flybe last year, still flies between Norwich and Aberdeen. The oil worker claimed the airline had reduced its timetable, making it more difficult to conduct a return journey between the cities in one day, but a spokesman for Eastern Airways said there had been no changes, nor were changes planned, to its service.

A BMI spokesman said it could “no longer maintain a sustainable commercial service” on the Norwich-Aberdeen route.
“Despite recent rises in oil prices, structural shifts in the oil and gas industry and the way it conducts business have resulted in a permanent change to passenger numbers between Aberdeen and Norwich.”
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