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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 02:39
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In my 30 years of aviation seen many big names in the airline industry sadly cease trading, Dan Air , Air Europe, Air Berlin have been some of the biggest, however Thomas Cook certainly has to be the biggest, sad day indeed for the airline and travel industry in particular all the staff who worked for Thomas Cook, airports up and down the UK and airports overseas just will not seem the same without a TCX flight number on the arrival/departures board or a TCX aircraft parked on the ramp, had the pleasure of handling TCX flights and working with their crews and operations staff, courteous and professional staff, hope all staff and their colleagues find alternative employment soon , good luck in whatever you do and where fate and destiny take you!
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 02:43
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I honestly never thought this could, or would happen, and my thoughts are with the staff who are now in this crap position. However, I'll say that as an ex Spotty M employee, if you can, please see it as an opportunity. You guys have a good name in the industry, use it to your benefit, and I hope you'll all end up better off for it. Best wishes to you all
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 02:54
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Thomas Cook flights at 0152Z. Will TCX2643 MCO-MAN be the historic last flight to land? Sadly, I've marked milestones like this with Pan Am and my other employers.


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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 03:04
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This may be a cretinously stupid question, but it's occurred to me before when an operator has gone under.

Why could the government not effectively nationalise the company, temporarily, for a couple of weeks? Take the AOC & OL into government hands, pay the bills, commandeer the planes, and continue to operate the thing on a one-way basis, flying out empty, bringing customers home roughly on schedule? The planes are there, the crews are there and know the routes, would that not be more efficient and convenient than an ad hoc charter and repatriation operation? An orderly wind-down of flying operations, underwritten by government, rather than a hard ground stop with all these TCX aircraft sitting around doing nothing?

I mean there must be a reason it isn't done, but as an aviating kind of guy rather than management or bean counter, I can't see it.

Sympathy to all the TCX guys & gals.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 03:12
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Awful news, good luck to all.

Condor and Thomas Cook Balearics will continue to trade. No idea on the Scandinavian Airline
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 03:16
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Originally Posted by Ranger One View Post
This may be a cretinously stupid question, but it's occurred to me before when an operator has gone under.

Why could the government not effectively nationalise the company, temporarily, for a couple of weeks? Take the AOC & OL into government hands, pay the bills, commandeer the planes, and continue to operate the thing on a one-way basis, flying out empty, bringing customers home roughly on schedule? The planes are there, the crews are there and know the routes, would that not be more efficient and convenient than an ad hoc charter and repatriation operation? An orderly wind-down of flying operations, underwritten by government, rather than a hard ground stop with all these TCX aircraft sitting around doing nothing?

I mean there must be a reason it isn't done, but as an aviating kind of guy rather than management or bean counter, I can't see it.

Sympathy to all the TCX guys & gals.

Probably because you're not just talking about pilots and aircraft - there's the rest of the company to take over also. In that scenario, a little money doesn't go a long way and the government doesn't want to be on the hook for it. Companies go bust every day of the week, and as sad as it is, there's no obligation for the government to step in to prop up failing businesses - the very fact that they require saving means they're not commercially viable, and if you've spent any time around government projects you'd see that the situation is not likely to improve if they're bailed out.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 04:44
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Originally Posted by Ranger One View Post
This may be a cretinously stupid question, but it's occurred to me before when an operator has gone under.

Why could the government not effectively nationalise the company, temporarily, for a couple of weeks? Take the AOC & OL into government hands, pay the bills, commandeer the planes, and continue to operate the thing on a one-way basis, flying out empty, bringing customers home roughly on schedule? The planes are there, the crews are there and know the routes, would that not be more efficient and convenient than an ad hoc charter and repatriation operation? An orderly wind-down of flying operations, underwritten by government, rather than a hard ground stop with all these TCX aircraft sitting around doing nothing?

I mean there must be a reason it isn't done, but as an aviating kind of guy rather than management or bean counter, I can't see it.

Sympathy to all the TCX guys & gals.
what a fantastic idea! everything is in place. Keep it simply for operations only, no admin work. They would be quarantined their salaries and less chance of bailing. Treat it as a charter by the government. Hell of a lot cheaper. Cover salaries for those redundant for as long as ops happening. Then grant the working crew/staff and equal amount of paid time off

However legally I guess it canít happen

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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 04:58
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My condolences for the employees. Hard times now, and more to come. Future does not look bright either.



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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 05:05
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The Scandinavian airline has cancelled all flights this morning.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 05:13
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Thomas Cook Scandinavia already stopped ops minutes ago... (unsure for how long, temporarily or definitely) 😔 Sad indeed...that Viking callsign remained for decades since the good old days of scanair and premiair


https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/th...-efter-kollaps

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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 05:16
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Originally Posted by MKY661 View Post
Awful news, good luck to all.

Condor and Thomas Cook Balearics will continue to trade. No idea on the Scandinavian Airline
please confirm your source of this information, that Condor and Balearics continue operation ??
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 05:23
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If it's on the Beeb, it must be true.

Originally Posted by bamcb38c View Post
360 radar so that's what it's ADS was saying, and the Sun have been saying Thomas Cook is going bust and thats pretty damn accurate
BBC saying so too: BBC: Thomas Cook Collapses
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 05:24
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With the internet everyone is their own travel agent. Create your own vacation online. Very easy. TOO easy.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 05:32
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Bollocks.

Very sad.

Sounds like the crews have operated magnificently tonight under what must be awful pressure. Hopefully lots of bars raided on TCX ships this morning by the last ever inbound operating crews and some last toasts made in forward galleys on stands across the country.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 05:49
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Oh my. I reluctantly left last year and after flying elsewhere joined one of the ACMIs for the summer only. This is truly heartbreaking.

I'm hearing that the ACMIs will be doing many a repatriation flight but with a Titan calling using TCX cabin crew. I'm guessing Titan will employ the cabin crew on a temporary contract basis.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 06:49
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Originally Posted by jaja View Post


please confirm your source of this information, that Condor and Balearics continue operation ??
https://www.azcentral.com/story/trav...cy/2415825001/
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 07:13
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The collapse was inevitable. As soon as the rumours started about money troubles at TC only a lunatic would book a holiday months in advance with them.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 07:19
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Originally Posted by jaja View Post


please confirm your source of this information, that Condor and Balearics continue operation ??
Condor are still flying look up flight radar.

I believe thatís to do with German rules and regs but not 100% sure.

Airberlin operated for a while after going under propped up by government.

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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 07:47
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Well done to all crews that have operated not just tonight but also the build up over the weekend to the mornings sad news. You are all professionals to the end. Many people can learn a lot from you all. It goes without saying we wish you all the best in difficult times.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 08:11
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what a fantastic idea! everything is in place. Keep it simply for operations only, no admin work. They would be quarantined their salaries and less chance of bailing. Treat it as a charter by the government. Hell of a lot cheaper. Cover salaries for those redundant for as long as ops happening. Then grant the working crew/staff and equal amount of paid time off

However legally I guess it can’t happen
Would be a bit like Alitalia. Incredible that they are still happily flying all over the place.
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