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Old 20th Jul 2018, 18:15
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I've been raising that question for a while with no conclusive response. It seems slightly odd that the airport, not just TCX, have been advertising this new route in 2018 in their PR blurb if they knew it was being dropped after only 1 season.

I couldn't find the TCX timetable of long haul routes for 2019 when I checked earlier today but a few weeks ago it was showing 38 weekly departures from MAN in 2019 compared to 44 this summer. If they are cutting back to the US, it would offset some of the 20% increase in capacity from Virgin.

If VS are a single carrier doing BOS, and TCX likewise on SFO (we know VS are dropping SFO), that may not be a bad thing in some ways. However, if SEA is chopped after just 1 season, that is disappointing.

Incidentally, in a presentation I heard a few years ago of unserved routes from MAN at that time, SFO was well ahead of LAX in terms of potential pax for a direct service. Perhaps demand has changed since, but we'll have both TCX and VS flying to LAX in 2019.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 16:51
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The BOS / SEA have been operated by Air Tanker but with two A330 allegedly going to Jet 2 next summer it would appear that TCX will not have an Air Tanker aircraft available, so maybe the delay in publishing the schedule is they are trying to source a A330 for the operation ?
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 16:26
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Thomas Cook mulling airline sale - Sunday Times

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-th...-idUKKBN1KI0MI
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 11:15
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TCX are indeed sourcing an A330 to replace the frame going back to Air Tanker. According to Routesonline:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...ervice-in-s19/

LAX decreases by 1 a week
SFO change of day of operation
SEA increase to 3 a week
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 12:19
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Who'd have thought SEA would be more popular...
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 12:31
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Thomas Cook S19 long haul changes for MAN

BOS appears at this stage to be gone
LAX from 3 > 2 weekly
MCO from 9 > 13 weekly (3 flights on Sundays)
JFK from 7 > 8 weekly (2nd flight on Mondays)
CUN from 6 > 9 weekly
MBJ reintroduced at 1 weekly
SEA from 2 > 3 weekly

appears to be 8 based A330 Although 9 required on Mondays. Spaces for more long haul but may well be used to backfill short haul. If 9 aircraft are used then lots of spaces. Rumours of MSY/BWI but obviously unconfirmed.
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 16:36
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Thomas Cooks Long Haul Flying Future...

Does anyone know what Thomas Cooks long haul plans are, with regards to new aircraft?

Just been looking the A330-200's are averaging around 13.4yrs old and the A330-300's are around 18yrs old. When you add into the mix the Condor 767's which are averaging nearly 23yrs old, I guess the airline needs to consider the next move for the long haul fleet in the next 18-24 months and would make sense to probably make one large order for the whole group to secure the best deal, with the first deliveries going to Condor and doing staggered deliveries over maybe a five year period, the current A330-200's will be reaching around 18-20yrs old.
(Source: https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Thomas-Cook-Group)

Another question, can Thomas Cook Airlines maintain long haul flying as a "Scheduled" carrier for the foreseeable future from Manchester, or are they just riding the crest of a wave while there is limited low cost long haul competition from Manchester, at the moment?
I can't imagine they would be in a good place if they tried to compete with Norwegian.

Could this be why there are rumours of Thomas Cook looking for an investor in the airline side of the business, to buy new aircraft?
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 20:42
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR View Post
Thomas Cook S19 long haul changes for MAN

BOS appears at this stage to be gone
LAX from 3 > 2 weekly
MCO from 9 > 13 weekly (3 flights on Sundays)
JFK from 7 > 8 weekly (2nd flight on Mondays)
CUN from 6 > 9 weekly
MBJ reintroduced at 1 weekly
SEA from 2 > 3 weekly

appears to be 8 based A330 Although 9 required on Mondays. Spaces for more long haul but may well be used to backfill short haul. If 9 aircraft are used then lots of spaces. Rumours of MSY/BWI but obviously unconfirmed.
Largely good news, I think. Slightly surprised at the scale of capacity increase on MCO and CUN. BOS with MT gone but we keep the route courtesy of VS. It's another sign that MT and VS are accepting the size of the market on some of their MAN-USA routes, and instead of a capacity/ price war they are somehow working out who can do which ones the best, and which to leave to the other. VS have increased BOS for next year. Likewise VS have dropped out of SFO and left that to MT, who have stepped down a notch on LAX as VS join them on this arguably stronger route. No suggestion of any collusion here, just good market sense. The shift of operating days by MT also means that we have a flight to LAX on 5 days of the week rather than 2 flights on some days and none on most. This can only be good, leaving both airlines stronger and the routes with some scope to grow. SEA increase in frequency does not surprise me, the transfer volumes connecting on to this service over MAN have been HUGE. Dr. Frasier Crane would say 'I'm listening'.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 07:37
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Excellent summary Roverman.

I'm surprised MAG never used Daphne (Jane Leeves) to promote Manchester in the USA.
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Old 31st Jul 2018, 19:28
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The USA would likely have known no different but she was born in Essex and brought up in Sussex so definitely not a UK marketing tool for Manchester !
The Frasier series repeated on TV Channel 4 most mornings is brilliant and a must watch. I'm with you Roverman on "I'm listening"
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 10:12
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TC Long Haul from Manchester S19

Cuba - Holguin is dropping to weekly from twice weekly, plus weekly flights to Varadero, Cayo Coco & Cayo Santa Maria
Las Vegas is operating five times a week
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 10:46
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Scandinavian arm to take hifly a380
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 10:49
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presumably not in Thomas Cook Scandinavia colours?! (is there still such a thing?)
They used to rotate a scandinavian aircraft through UK too!
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 10:53
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe View Post
presumably not in Thomas Cook Scandinavia colours?! (is there still such a thing?)
They used to rotate a scandinavian aircraft through UK too!
wet lease arrangement so i imagine will stay in hifly colours
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 11:07
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 20:22
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The Hi-fly A380 is doing Copenhagen to Larnaca today
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Old 1st Aug 2018, 21:28
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Being used on Copenhagen to Larnaca and back today and from Oslo to Palma de Mallorca and back on 2 August.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 17:44
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Thomas Cook Scandinavia are using it to repatriate passengers after an aircraft got stuck in Rhodes, its clearing the backlog. Its going to be at Norwegian from tomorrow.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 20:02
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expanded UK Montego Bay program planned for S19
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 20:06
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presumably reshuffling rather than true expansion. Certainly some LAS services reducing for S19
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