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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 22:51
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The fact you have to endure US CBP and *enter* the US in transit was sub par. Competing with BA/AA and VS all having feed in the US didn’t help either, STAR partner UA has the smallest presence on LAX-LHR.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 19:26
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Was looking at LA prices where BA and Virgin was £1200 return Air New Zealand was £350 return.

Any thing in this
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 20:33
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Air NZ's decision to withdraw its Los Angeles-London service was attributed to "market dynamics," which has affected the route's performance in recent years. Acting chief executive Jeff McDowall noted that less than 7% of passengers flying between Auckland and London chose to fly via Los Angeles in 2018."At the same time, the Atlantic has become one of the most hotly contested routes in the world and Air New Zealand lacks the home market advantages and scale of the North American and European airlines we're up against," says McDowall.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 18:55
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I wonder if the proposed QA non-stops from NYC have anything to do with this? We'll never know but there are now numerous European routes to Auckland.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 15:39
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According to ACL
Aurigny have requested slots into LHR from S20 but denied any slots.

Norwegian requested 14 slots but given 6 for S20
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Old 7th Nov 2019, 08:02
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Latest Fly Quiet & Green results

Heathrow yesterday "published" its latest Fly Quiet & Green results - as usual they are concealed for the time being behind a password screen to allow LHR the opportunity to brainwash important stakeholders before the stats are exposed to the cruel gaze of scrutiny by the more numerate public.

https://www.heathrowflyquietandgreen.com/2019-3rd-qtr/

Analysis to follow once they are revealed.
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Old 7th Nov 2019, 10:52
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Oooh - a guess the password game
I reckon it's "Borisbulldozer2025"
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Old 7th Nov 2019, 11:07
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Heathrow yesterday "published" its latest Fly Quiet & Green results - as usual they are concealed for the time being behind a password screen to allow LHR the opportunity to brainwash important stakeholders before the stats are exposed to the cruel gaze of scrutiny by the more numerate public.
Except it's properly niche stuff and not really on the radar come on! It's like they gave an intern a project to do and their manager only glances at it before it goes public. I hope that's not true. That might be true. #cynical
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Old 10th Nov 2019, 16:41
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Can anyone confirm whether GA have suspended or pulled out of LHR? I've just checked Flightradar24, and it appears as though there are no further schedules planned for GA87/86 for the foreseeable future.
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Old 10th Nov 2019, 21:52
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Garuda's route map shows a service to LHR. One list of international destinations on their website does, another doesn't.

HAL seem to have no flights to Jakarta till Christmas- I've not looked later than that.

I don't suppose even Garuda know.

Last info in Routesonline was 14 Oct with three A330s each week.
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Old 10th Nov 2019, 22:33
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Was looking to book a flight to Bali in Jan 2020 and was surprised to see Garuda offering flights from LHR with a fuel stop Medan. Apparently their A330neo deliveries are late. Neo can fly direct the normal A330 canít.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 13:02
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Fit-for-purpose ?

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Heathrow yesterday "published" its latest Fly Quiet & Green results - as usual they are concealed for the time being behind a password screen to allow LHR the opportunity to brainwash important stakeholders before the stats are exposed to the cruel gaze of scrutiny by the more numerate public.

Analysis to follow once they are revealed.
Heathrow yesterday exposed the above-mentioned Q3 Fly Quiet & Green results to public gaze (though as of a few moments ago, they seem to have disappeared again, so possibly common sense has prevailed).

Rather than catalogue the usual sad story of arbitrary promotions, demotions and just plain nonsense that, as ever, feature in the results. I've simply attached the scorecard that Heathrow appears to have used to propel SAS to this quarter's Number One slot (even though Oman Air, United and BA shorthaul actually performed better).

Eagle-eyed PPRuNers and any passing O-level Maths students will spot that HAL has deducted so few points (only 42) from SAS for the 89 places it dropped across all the metrics, that even if it had been the worse-performing airline for every metric, it would still have scored 806 points out of 1,000 !

If anyone can explain how that results in a scheme that's meant to incentivise airlines to improve their environmental performance being fit-for-purpose, I'd love to know.

https://www.heathrowflyquietandgreen.com/2019-3rd-qtr/
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 15:34
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Tory Party Manifesto on LHR

Tory Party Manifesto

Parliament has voted in principle to support a third runway at Heathrow, but it is a private sector project. It is for Heathrow to demonstrate that it can meet its air quality and noise obligations, that the project can be financed and built and that the business case is realistic. The scheme will receive no new public money. More broadly, we will use new air traffic control technology to cut the time aircraft spend waiting to land, reducing delays, noise nuisance and pollution. We will also build on Britainís pioneering work in electric and low-carbon flight.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 19:26
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Tory Party Manifesto

Parliament has voted in principle to support a third runway at Heathrow, but it is a private sector project. It is for Heathrow to demonstrate that it can meet its air quality and noise obligations, that the project can be financed and built and that the business case is realistic. The scheme will receive no new public money. More broadly, we will use new air traffic control technology to cut the time aircraft spend waiting to land, reducing delays, noise nuisance and pollution. We will also build on Britainís pioneering work in electric and low-carbon flight.
R3 was always planned to be a private sector project. The issue was the amount of accompanying state investment in supporting infrastructure - M3/M25 and other road improvements, Piccadilly Line upgrades, etc.

What does the Tory manifesto say about those ?

Of course, if the Tories pull us out of the EU with no deal, LHR expansion is all going to be a bit academic.
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 08:49
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Honestly the various manifestos talk so much b******** about infrastructure

Everyone knows the people aren't available to build it or to oversee the building. Look at Crossrail and HS2
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 16:37
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Tory Party Manifesto

Parliament has voted in principle to support a third runway at Heathrow, but it is a private sector project. It is for Heathrow to demonstrate that it can meet its air quality and noise obligations, that the project can be financed and built and that the business case is realistic. The scheme will receive no new public money. More broadly, we will use new air traffic control technology to cut the time aircraft spend waiting to land, reducing delays, noise nuisance and pollution. We will also build on Britainís pioneering work in electric and low-carbon flight.
Even by this governmentís standards, this is a total fudge.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 07:36
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Election issue Heathrow

I'm amazed it hasnt featured more widely as an election issue given the eye watering level of taxpayer subsidies.

I suspect the road and rail infrastructure which is taxpayer funded is now in the region of £20bn using HS2 and Crossrail as a yardstick.

It seems incredible that Labour have not picked up on this

Must confess I'm more right wing than Attila The Hun but I'm scratching my head as to the value of providing infrastructure for a new service to say Caracas if people are in AE for 36hours, nanny has zero support in terms of social care placement and criminals are allowed to roam our streets with impunity as we have a failed justice system cut to the bone and no police !

Maybe do the basics to provide a good standard of living for everyone and then subsidise a 3rd runway?
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 07:48
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I'm amazed it hasnt featured more widely as an election issue given the eye watering level of taxpayer subsidies.

I suspect the road and rail infrastructure which is taxpayer funded is now in the region of £20bn using HS2 and Crossrail as a yardstick.

It seems incredible that Labour have not picked up on this

Must confess I'm more right wing than Attila The Hun but I'm scratching my head as to the value of providing infrastructure for a new service to say Caracas if people are in AE for 36hours, nanny has zero support in terms of social care placement and criminals are allowed to roam our streets with impunity as we have a failed justice system cut to the bone and no police !

Maybe do the basics to provide a good standard of living for everyone and then subsidise a 3rd runway?
The argument will be that we need that service to Caracas as we are an international trading nation so need to do business to fund all those things - not saying its right, but that's the argument.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 08:32
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The argument will be that we need that service to Caracas as we are an international trading nation so need to do business to fund all those things - not saying its right, but that's the argument.
I tend to agree BUT if you want to go to Caracas there are a myriad one stop options, there seems to be a school of thought that we are so thick that its beyond the wit of man to get there at all.

No direct service doesn't mean no service, this myth is clearly utter codswallop.

There Is a rich irony however that all the MPs who supported this and are now bleating about basic standards of health care were told by Grayling that airport expansion would not cost the taxpayer a penny, the terminal and runway wont, but reroute, tunneling and expansion of the M25 plus all the rail connectivity needed will fall in the taxpayers lap, that's double the cost of the actual runway itself....and that's st today's prices.

The image of the child with pneumonia might be political capital to the left but I can assure you that is the norm in AE every day, it only becomes a story if it effects you personally.

if I was the parent of that child I would suspect they would much rather have the benefits of a decent health service than a daily service to Venezuela from an airport 200 miles away.

Maybe we should ALL think about that next time we clutch our chest with a possible cardio event.... or carry a limp child into a waiting area that resembles a Baghdad field hospital.....!

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Old 10th Dec 2019, 09:28
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Caracas? very good choice. Venezuela 168 of 180 in the world corruption index. I can see what there best export service is, and the only import required = cash.
Caracas - Miami - London. Did there DC8 make it non stop in the past?
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