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Old 6th Aug 2018, 11:22
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So everyone can know what recommendations the Transport Select Committee made and which haven't been acted on by government, but they count for nothing. Great!

Presumably, issues, targets or recommendations from the (independent) Airports Commission report - and some may feel that was not particularly impressive anyway - that have not been acted on or achieved, could be brought up in a JR. Or could they?

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Old 6th Aug 2018, 11:49
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Appears so, though that is only the opinion of DfTn now probably scurrying around the legal archives to justify their decision.
If it all goes wrong their budget will take over the whole scheme, so no trains or roads elsewhere in the UK.
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If it all goes wrong their budget will take over the whole scheme, so no trains or roads elsewhere in the UK
Anyone else remember the days when debate had something between two extremes?

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Thanks Skippy, no doubt LHR is not full then, or who has surrendered to the taste of money for their slots.
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Thanks Skippy, no doubt LHR is not full then, or who has surrendered to the taste of money for their slots.
Not full? Yes, just a big conspiracy theory.
Nothing to do with “use it or lose it”, loaners and churn. All lies.
See, you literally ran straight to the extremes. Again.
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I really wouldn’t worry about Heathrow capacity come March 2019....
Brexit, come what May (date or person?), is most likely to result in a smaller hub (domestic) market and a potentially greater foreign (non-EU) market than ever before (I suggest). Probably equally, if not more, beneficial to EGLL, than present status. Not great for the regions....but hey ho. Everyone will need to re-adjust....perhaps using their regional (local) airport to link to a European hub instead.
Certainly shifts the CO2 emphasis, if the delays aren’t too great, connecting via Yurp...
(we obviously won’t need to worry about UK’s contribution to climate change in that case...)
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The UK government has largely ignored recommendations from a key parliamentary committee about Heathrow airport’s third runway scheme, the committee’s chair has said, making it much more likely that courts will strike down the project.

Lilian Greenwood, the Labour MP who chairs the Commons transport select committee, said transport secretary Chris Grayling “gave the impression that 24 of our 25 recommendations had been accepted”, but said his comments were just “rhetoric”.

“The reality was that only two or three of our recommendations were actually accepted,” she said. “I suppose at best you could say that the government said they agreed with the spirit of our recommendations and would ensure those matters were dealt with in the [planning] process.”


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Judicial review launched against Heathrow expansion

Lawyers acting for a consortium of local authorities and others have today issued judicial review proceedings in the High Court against the Secretary of State for Transport, on the basis that he has unlawfully designated the Airports National Policy Statement [NPS] under the Planning Act 2008.

News release: 06 August 2018

The proceedings challenging the expansion of Heathrow airport have been brought by the London Boroughs of Hillingdon, Wandsworth, Richmond, Hammersmith and Fulham, the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead, Greenpeace and the Mayor of London.

The grounds of challenge are on air quality, inadequate environmental assessment, climate change, surface access, breach of the habitats directive and a flawed consultation process.

Councillor Ray Puddifoot, Leader of Hillingdon Council, said: "Once again we have a government that is trying to avoid applying both the correct legal process and common sense to the question of airport expansion.

"The abject failure to address the far reaching consequences for both the environment and the health and wellbeing of tens of thousands of residents across London is simply not acceptable.

"This council is not prepared to stand back and allow this to happen without submitting the many flaws in this project to the rigorous scrutiny of the High Court and beyond, if necessary.

"I have confidence in the judicial process and am hopeful, that as with the previous judicial review challenge which was heard back in 2010, that the court will expose the many failings of this ill-thought-through project".
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Originally Posted by good egg
I really wouldn’t worry about Heathrow capacity come March 2019....
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Everyone will need to re-adjust....perhaps using their regional (local) airport to link to a European hub instead.
Yup - folks have been doing that with increasing frequency for over 20 years. The European and M.E. hubs have scooped it up.

Still, no need to worry as R3 won't be built and we'll carry on with the usual Britsh fudge-up.
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Apparently the number of legal challenges is in double figures. The betting seems to suggest the judges will block as Grayling has given protagonists an open goal to shoot at.

Only 2 of the23 recommendations by the Transport Select Committee have been implemented.

If each case takes 6 months and they don't run concurrently that suggests the lawyers could be busy for a minimum 5 years and even longer with counter appeals.
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in that time a runway could have been built at Gatwick
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in that time a runway could have been built at Gatwick
Possible, but half of the environmental fruitcakes will want to appeal against that as well, which would cause delays there as well
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do you think, given there seems to have been areas of carelessness in the process so far, that the government(cabinet) are hoping the courts will do their dirty work for them and stop the runway?
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No runway at Gatwick either True Blue and you could be on to something with our pusillanimous politcians who proclaim they want to 'help make a better Britain' blah blah blah.
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Areas of carelessness....

is an understatement. Or maybe we are not giving Grayling enough credit and he is counting on the courts go pull it.
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly
Possible, but half of the environmental fruitcakes will want to appeal against that as well, which would cause delays there as well
Im all for LHR R3 and I would love LGW to get permission for a second runway but to use the term ''environmental fruitcakes'' is a bit childish isn't it but then again most children these days tend to know more about the environment than there elderly peers so who are your so called ''fruitcakes'', a weird comment to say the least!
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Originally Posted by True Blue
do you think, given there seems to have been areas of carelessness in the process so far, that the government (cabinet) are hoping the courts will do their dirty work for them and stop the runway?
Unlikely that Grayling would think that, given the carnage that he wrought on HMCTS when he was running MoJ.
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Unlikely that Grayling would think that, given the carnage that he wrought on HMCTS when he was running MoJ.
Yes perhaps on reflection you are right DR.

Not forgetting the current debacle with Northern Rail which is an absolute pigs breakfast .
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Small wonder he is known as "Failing Grayling"!
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Originally Posted by canberra97
Im all for LHR R3 and I would love LGW to get permission for a second runway but to use the term ''environmental fruitcakes'' is a bit childish isn't it but then again most children these days tend to know more about the environment than there elderly peers so who are your so called ''fruitcakes'', a weird comment to say the least!
By this, i mean the people who are totally against any and all Aviation related expansion. People who want no expansion at all and who chain themselves to cars, lay on the runway....those 'fruitcakes' (they do it on an environmental basis)
The likes of 'Stop Heathrow Expansion', 'Stop Stansted Expansion'... (you get the idea)

There is legitimate and justified demand for the UK to have at least 1 extra runway, but these people just flat out refute that point.

It's actually one of the rare times i would side with Mr O' Leary, and suggest 3 extra runways at LHR/LGW/STN. Partly to cover our requirements for the next 50+ years, but also to annoy them even further
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