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Went through T3 passenger security the other morning. No queues, plenty of staff and not a problem, except the staff were all totally miserable and up their own posteriors. Couldn't have been more rude if they'd tried. Manchester at it's very best. Once again.
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I'm a regular critic of the facilities and service experience at MAN but I speak as I find.....on my first two trips so far in the New Year I can honestly say that I have been through security in less than 10 mins on both occasions with no dramas - of course it's the quiet season but it shows what can be done.
I'm still not fond of the 'threats': 'you will be delayed by 30-40 minutes' that sounds like a policy to me - which would be unacceptable.
By the way the shouting has been toned down somewhat in recent times...maybe they read this stuff and have moderated their nonsense. However if you really want to hear some full-on security queue shouting, try any US gateway airport. They are the masters at that.
I'm still not fond of the 'threats': 'you will be delayed by 30-40 minutes' that sounds like a policy to me - which would be unacceptable.
By the way the shouting has been toned down somewhat in recent times...maybe they read this stuff and have moderated their nonsense. However if you really want to hear some full-on security queue shouting, try any US gateway airport. They are the masters at that.
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Can anyone shed some light on this?
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...-year-15685902
We have the walkway tunnels so this really isn't needed is it? And wont they just get caught up in the traffic around the airport anyway, would perhaps take longer than walking from the station.
If something like this was to happen wouldn't it be better to go along the lines of what Heathrow have done with the T5 business car park
Love to know everyone's thoughts
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https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...-year-15685902
We have the walkway tunnels so this really isn't needed is it? And wont they just get caught up in the traffic around the airport anyway, would perhaps take longer than walking from the station.
If something like this was to happen wouldn't it be better to go along the lines of what Heathrow have done with the T5 business car park
Love to know everyone's thoughts
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It does raise an interesting point. From the start, there will be an increase in traffic, that parts a given. ONce the sceheme fully kicks in however, i can see this being slightly more beneficial.
In particular, the 'convoy plan', where if all the cars are autonomous, they can drive a lot closer to each other and when the front 'pod' wants to brake, all the others will get the same command, so it would almost work like a train. Compare than to norml driver who have to leave a larger gap inbetween cars to allow for reaction times.
Another big concern would be the price. I could see something like this being a lot more expensive, at least from the outset than driving to/from and parking, maybe something reserved for business/ first class pax only?
At the same time, it's nice to see that MAN is looking to the future and embracing this new technology, which as a fan of autonomous vehicles, i applaud them for
It does raise an interesting point. From the start, there will be an increase in traffic, that parts a given. ONce the sceheme fully kicks in however, i can see this being slightly more beneficial.
In particular, the 'convoy plan', where if all the cars are autonomous, they can drive a lot closer to each other and when the front 'pod' wants to brake, all the others will get the same command, so it would almost work like a train. Compare than to norml driver who have to leave a larger gap inbetween cars to allow for reaction times.
Another big concern would be the price. I could see something like this being a lot more expensive, at least from the outset than driving to/from and parking, maybe something reserved for business/ first class pax only?
At the same time, it's nice to see that MAN is looking to the future and embracing this new technology, which as a fan of autonomous vehicles, i applaud them for
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I'm a regular critic of the facilities and service experience at MAN but I speak as I find.....on my first two trips so far in the New Year I can honestly say that I have been through security in less than 10 mins on both occasions with no dramas - of course it's the quiet season but it shows what can be done.
I'm still not fond of the 'threats': 'you will be delayed by 30-40 minutes' that sounds like a policy to me - which would be unacceptable.
By the way the shouting has been toned down somewhat in recent times...maybe they read this stuff and have moderated their nonsense. However if you really want to hear some full-on security queue shouting, try any US gateway airport. They are the masters at that.
I'm still not fond of the 'threats': 'you will be delayed by 30-40 minutes' that sounds like a policy to me - which would be unacceptable.
By the way the shouting has been toned down somewhat in recent times...maybe they read this stuff and have moderated their nonsense. However if you really want to hear some full-on security queue shouting, try any US gateway airport. They are the masters at that.
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Bizarrely, last night it was 20 minutes quicker for a US national to get into the UK than UK nationals. Only 3 in the non EU queue and Border Force didn't (don't) allow any of the EU lot to claim that they were 'nearly' not EU. Some tried but were sent to the end of a very long queue.
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BA Shuttle reduced
British Airways are reducing the MAN-LHR service for Summer 2019 from 8 to 6 per weekday, and just 4 or 5 at weekends. This must be the lowest frequency since the 1970s. BA will now have fewer daily flights at MAN than Lufthansa if you discount the seasonal City Flyer schedule and Sun Air, which are not really BA flights. I don't know what the driver is, slot prioritization at Heathrow or just declining market-share at MAN. Are other BA domestics being cut back?
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British Airways are reducing the MAN-LHR service for Summer 2019 from 8 to 6 per weekday, and just 4 or 5 at weekends. This must be the lowest frequency since the 1970s. BA will now have fewer daily flights at MAN than Lufthansa if you discount the seasonal City Flyer schedule and Sun Air, which are not really BA flights. I don't know what the driver is, slot prioritization at Heathrow or just declining market-share at MAN. Are other BA domestics being cut back?
ETH & JEI being the latest long hauls ex MAN
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Slot prioritization would appear to be the driving force here. ABZ and NCL are also seeing a reduced frequency. BA at MAN is predominately LHR transfer traffic and BA have figured that they can get away by reducing frequency but maintaining just slightly less uplift (Higher seating configs). The argument that MAN doesn't need BA because of our own growing Intercontinental network does not really hold up as has been commented, the likes of KL/AF/LH en all have maintained frequency.
The schedule for winter 19 is showing 8/9 daily at the moment. Expect that to be reduced too. As for Sun-Air, with RYR starting BLL, they'll probably not be around for much longer unless they can maintain the corporate contracts.
The schedule for winter 19 is showing 8/9 daily at the moment. Expect that to be reduced too. As for Sun-Air, with RYR starting BLL, they'll probably not be around for much longer unless they can maintain the corporate contracts.
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British Airways are reducing the MAN-LHR service for Summer 2019 from 8 to 6 per weekday, and just 4 or 5 at weekends. This must be the lowest frequency since the 1970s. BA will now have fewer daily flights at MAN than Lufthansa if you discount the seasonal City Flyer schedule and Sun Air, which are not really BA flights. I don't know what the driver is, slot prioritization at Heathrow or just declining market-share at MAN. Are other BA domestics being cut back?
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I fully expect additional China - LHR services before any Manchester announcement but Hainan starting Shenzhen - Dublin from next month says to me that China - Manchester expansion is not something that is going to happen!.
INV is the only BA domestic route growing this summer and it's getting a new nightstop (slots for which have come from reducing LHR-Helsinki to one a day - Finnair must be delighted and are planning more widebodies into LHR, now flying both the morning and evening HEL-LHR-HEL rotations). ABZ, GLA, MAN and NCL are all losing frequency to LHR this summer with between one and two daily rotations cut from each route. The main reason is to free up slots for Newquay-LHR Flybe service which BA are obliged to do under the competition remedies for the acquisition of bmi. There are some other factors as well including a bit of long-haul growth and extra frequency on a couple of European routes but the domestic cuts are pretty much all driven by the need to release slots to Flybe.
I suppose you could indeed take it as a sign of maturity of MAN's own long-haul network that the feeder service to LHR is less and less important. Another reason is likely to be continued loss of point-to-point traffic to the train network.
I suppose you could indeed take it as a sign of maturity of MAN's own long-haul network that the feeder service to LHR is less and less important. Another reason is likely to be continued loss of point-to-point traffic to the train network.
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Bizarrely, last night it was 20 minutes quicker for a US national to get into the UK than UK nationals. Only 3 in the non EU queue and Border Force didn't (don't) allow any of the EU lot to claim that they were 'nearly' not EU. Some tried but were sent to the end of a very long queue.
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@ Jetaway
It does raise an interesting point. From the start, there will be an increase in traffic, that parts a given. ONce the sceheme fully kicks in however, i can see this being slightly more beneficial.
In particular, the 'convoy plan', where if all the cars are autonomous, they can drive a lot closer to each other and when the front 'pod' wants to brake, all the others will get the same command, so it would almost work like a train. Compare than to norml driver who have to leave a larger gap inbetween cars to allow for reaction times.
Another big concern would be the price. I could see something like this being a lot more expensive, at least from the outset than driving to/from and parking, maybe something reserved for business/ first class pax only?
At the same time, it's nice to see that MAN is looking to the future and embracing this new technology, which as a fan of autonomous vehicles, i applaud them for
It does raise an interesting point. From the start, there will be an increase in traffic, that parts a given. ONce the sceheme fully kicks in however, i can see this being slightly more beneficial.
In particular, the 'convoy plan', where if all the cars are autonomous, they can drive a lot closer to each other and when the front 'pod' wants to brake, all the others will get the same command, so it would almost work like a train. Compare than to norml driver who have to leave a larger gap inbetween cars to allow for reaction times.
Another big concern would be the price. I could see something like this being a lot more expensive, at least from the outset than driving to/from and parking, maybe something reserved for business/ first class pax only?
At the same time, it's nice to see that MAN is looking to the future and embracing this new technology, which as a fan of autonomous vehicles, i applaud them for
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I was interested to read the Ethiopian numbers from Trav a la a few days ago. Whilst at first sight they don't look too great, this is initially a BRU and MAN service so hopefully it is viable and will steadily grow until the BRU stop can be eliminated.
Personally I feel that this is possibly the most important new route for MAN recently; although ADD/ Ethiopia are not major destinations the ET service opens up the whole continent of Africa. If the service succeeds, ET could become the preferred way to reach South Africa, Kenya, Tanzania, Botswana, Namibia, Indian Ocean islands and a host of other cities.
I have recently returned from a journey which involved 8 sectors on ET (sadly before MAN started); all were on time, the planes and the staff seemed professional and friendly, and a snack or meal was served on every leg except for a 25 minute hop. I would recommend anyone to try them.
Finally, Trav a la, please publish some more figures for their loads as time goes by.
Personally I feel that this is possibly the most important new route for MAN recently; although ADD/ Ethiopia are not major destinations the ET service opens up the whole continent of Africa. If the service succeeds, ET could become the preferred way to reach South Africa, Kenya, Tanzania, Botswana, Namibia, Indian Ocean islands and a host of other cities.
I have recently returned from a journey which involved 8 sectors on ET (sadly before MAN started); all were on time, the planes and the staff seemed professional and friendly, and a snack or meal was served on every leg except for a 25 minute hop. I would recommend anyone to try them.
Finally, Trav a la, please publish some more figures for their loads as time goes by.
ETHIOPIAN IN OUT
15/1 102 56
16/1 76 61
18/1 68 55
20/1 104 61
JET AIRWAYS
14/1 252 248
17/1 239 251
18/1 225 229
19/1 230 238
20/1 253 244
As you can see ET a bit slow to establish but slowly moving in right direction, no worries at all with Jet, just a question of when frequency increases and upgrade to B773.
Also heard a whisper that Oman are looking at 10pw later in year poss October. Would make sense as the route is performing very well with a 2 class 787 30 business seats and approx 250 economy, freight is good as well.
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Thanks for the pax numbers. Jet Airways seems a massive success with a ready made market whereas Ethiopian needs a lot of work and/or de-linking
While waiting at T2 arrivals you can literally see that the Jet Airways check-in desks are very busy.
Wonder how long before someone starts Delhi if the market already exists?
While waiting at T2 arrivals you can literally see that the Jet Airways check-in desks are very busy.
Wonder how long before someone starts Delhi if the market already exists?
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Jet are carrying big transfer loads, sometimes more than 100 pax per sector. Mainly connecting with Virgin both ways to USA, but also on to others at MAN. Ethiopian are picking up a little transfer traffic too, despite the Brussels stop.
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Coincidentally, Jet used a B777-200 for the first time today, rather than the usual A330.
Jet Airways remain on a 332 for the foreseeable future.
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Someone posted above that Jet was a B777-200 today. I think they mean Ethiopian, Jet has no MAN flight on a Tuesday.
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