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Am more surprised at the airport authority allowing it done in that way considering they are among the most strict airports I've been airside at for airside safety rules.
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Why is this one being scrapped at MAN? Was this the aircraft under maintenance at the time of the TCX collapse? I know it's not the youngest frame out there, but it seems odd that the aircraft would have missing parts and/or documentation that would prevent it being flown away for dismantling? Ultimately I guess it was cheaper to cut it up in-situ than return it to some sort of flyable condition?
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Why is this one being scrapped at MAN? Was this the aircraft under maintenance at the time of the TCX collapse? I know it's not the youngest frame out there, but it seems odd that the aircraft would have missing parts and/or documentation that would prevent it being flown away for dismantling? Ultimately I guess it was cheaper to cut it up in-situ than return it to some sort of flyable condition?
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No it doesn't. Yes there are many methods that would leave a rougher cut but they wouldn't be done with personnel on the wing and access equipment close by. And as mentioned potential damage to the apron. The more normal approach with manual cutting like that would be to have it slung with a crane.
Am more surprised at the airport authority allowing it done in that way considering they are among the most strict airports I've been airside at for airside safety rules.
Am more surprised at the airport authority allowing it done in that way considering they are among the most strict airports I've been airside at for airside safety rules.
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The TCX hangar was originally built for, I believe FFV aerotech (Someone correct me if I'm wrong). The old 'BA' hangar, of similar design, but about 1/3rd size sits to the south of the TCX hangar. Last I heard was that Dublin Aerospace were looking at the TCX hangar, but this was pre-pandemic and not heard anything since March. The old BA hangar, latterly used by Air Livery is due for demolision at somepoint.
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The TCX hangar was originally built for, I believe FFV aerotech (Someone correct me if I'm wrong). The old 'BA' hangar, of similar design, but about 1/3rd size sits to the south of the TCX hangar. Last I heard was that Dublin Aerospace were looking at the TCX hangar, but this was pre-pandemic and not heard anything since March. The old BA hangar, latterly used by Air Livery is due for demolision at somepoint.
Almost right, 96er, the hangar was originally opened as Qualitair in 1989 but not long after the name changed as you say, to FFV Aerotech. I think it was a merger or re-branding thing.
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Not seen this on this thread and borrowed from a post on BHX thread by nwoody2001
Manchester - the ACL Slot report has been release and shown the following airline have applied for the following:
= Aer LIngus - a 4 a/c base operating long haul routes to the USA (1x A330 and 3x A321LR)
= Wizz Air - a 4 a/c base operating across europe (4x A321s)
= Ryanair - increase their base at MAN by adding an additional 5x a/c to their existing base
Not mentioned above is the proposed increase for S21 by EZY by 4 a/c at MAN.
Obviously regularly slots are returned, but with rumour of some of the deals offered to the likes of RYR and EZY by MAG, links now with WIZZ surfacing and rumours of EZY pulling LPL...is MAN aggresively going for LPL to replace to some what has been lost ?
To be honest under current circumstances does it really make sense to EZY and RYR to have bases 30 miles apart ? If Wizz did open MAN would same apply to them ?
Is this possibly something we'll repeatedly see across Europe as airlines consolidate thier positions until things return to at least something like normal ?
Is there significant cause for LPL to be very worried ?
Manchester - the ACL Slot report has been release and shown the following airline have applied for the following:
= Aer LIngus - a 4 a/c base operating long haul routes to the USA (1x A330 and 3x A321LR)
= Wizz Air - a 4 a/c base operating across europe (4x A321s)
= Ryanair - increase their base at MAN by adding an additional 5x a/c to their existing base
Not mentioned above is the proposed increase for S21 by EZY by 4 a/c at MAN.
Obviously regularly slots are returned, but with rumour of some of the deals offered to the likes of RYR and EZY by MAG, links now with WIZZ surfacing and rumours of EZY pulling LPL...is MAN aggresively going for LPL to replace to some what has been lost ?
To be honest under current circumstances does it really make sense to EZY and RYR to have bases 30 miles apart ? If Wizz did open MAN would same apply to them ?
Is this possibly something we'll repeatedly see across Europe as airlines consolidate thier positions until things return to at least something like normal ?
Is there significant cause for LPL to be very worried ?
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It’s a really good question and maybe the follow on would be:
- would the regulator ( CAA) feel that it’s in the public interest?
- if so, will there be further consolidation in the North, maybe loss of DSA, HUY, EMA freight only?
- NCL to be decimated by EDI?
- would the regulator then add controls to car parking charges, max time from chocks to baggage on carousel (customer metrics in a monopolistic airport environment) etc?
Perhaps post Covid there will be major structural changes, but perhaps with less choice there needs to be more regulation.
- would the regulator ( CAA) feel that it’s in the public interest?
- if so, will there be further consolidation in the North, maybe loss of DSA, HUY, EMA freight only?
- NCL to be decimated by EDI?
- would the regulator then add controls to car parking charges, max time from chocks to baggage on carousel (customer metrics in a monopolistic airport environment) etc?
Perhaps post Covid there will be major structural changes, but perhaps with less choice there needs to be more regulation.
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I think the EZY/RYR ‘no fees’ rumour is adolescent mischief making. It would surely be against competition law both in terms of aggressively targeting a competitor causing it to experience financial loss, but also because it would be giving two airlines unfair subsidies compared to any other existing operator at Manchester flying to the same destination.
As for WZZ, it is actually WUK that has applied for slots and IF they were to set up a base it would presumably be yet more bucket and spade routes as with Luton and Doncaster. In any event, it may well just be a negotiating tactic to extract better terms from Liverpool.
Time, as ever, will reveal all.
As for WZZ, it is actually WUK that has applied for slots and IF they were to set up a base it would presumably be yet more bucket and spade routes as with Luton and Doncaster. In any event, it may well just be a negotiating tactic to extract better terms from Liverpool.
Time, as ever, will reveal all.
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Not seen this on this thread and borrowed from a post on BHX thread by nwoody2001
Manchester - the ACL Slot report has been release and shown the following airline have applied for the following:
= Aer LIngus - a 4 a/c base operating long haul routes to the USA (1x A330 and 3x A321LR)
= Wizz Air - a 4 a/c base operating across europe (4x A321s)
= Ryanair - increase their base at MAN by adding an additional 5x a/c to their existing base
Not mentioned above is the proposed increase for S21 by EZY by 4 a/c at MAN.
Obviously regularly slots are returned, but with rumour of some of the deals offered to the likes of RYR and EZY by MAG, links now with WIZZ surfacing and rumours of EZY pulling LPL...is MAN aggresively going for LPL to replace to some what has been lost ?
To be honest under current circumstances does it really make sense to EZY and RYR to have bases 30 miles apart ? If Wizz did open MAN would same apply to them ?
Is this possibly something we'll repeatedly see across Europe as airlines consolidate thier positions until things return to at least something like normal ?
Is there significant cause for LPL to be very worried ?
Manchester - the ACL Slot report has been release and shown the following airline have applied for the following:
= Aer LIngus - a 4 a/c base operating long haul routes to the USA (1x A330 and 3x A321LR)
= Wizz Air - a 4 a/c base operating across europe (4x A321s)
= Ryanair - increase their base at MAN by adding an additional 5x a/c to their existing base
Not mentioned above is the proposed increase for S21 by EZY by 4 a/c at MAN.
Obviously regularly slots are returned, but with rumour of some of the deals offered to the likes of RYR and EZY by MAG, links now with WIZZ surfacing and rumours of EZY pulling LPL...is MAN aggresively going for LPL to replace to some what has been lost ?
To be honest under current circumstances does it really make sense to EZY and RYR to have bases 30 miles apart ? If Wizz did open MAN would same apply to them ?
Is this possibly something we'll repeatedly see across Europe as airlines consolidate thier positions until things return to at least something like normal ?
Is there significant cause for LPL to be very worried ?
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It’s a really good question and maybe the follow on would be:
- would the regulator ( CAA) feel that it’s in the public interest?
- if so, will there be further consolidation in the North, maybe loss of DSA, HUY, EMA freight only?
- NCL to be decimated by EDI?
- would the regulator then add controls to car parking charges, max time from chocks to baggage on carousel (customer metrics in a monopolistic airport environment) etc?
- would the regulator ( CAA) feel that it’s in the public interest?
- if so, will there be further consolidation in the North, maybe loss of DSA, HUY, EMA freight only?
- NCL to be decimated by EDI?
- would the regulator then add controls to car parking charges, max time from chocks to baggage on carousel (customer metrics in a monopolistic airport environment) etc?
And indeed, this process is not just about the winners. Ryanair has done well out of playing off MAN / LPL / LBA against each other. EasyJet has played off MAN and LPL. And, as cited upthread, Wizz has form for flirting with an unserved airport to secure better terms at their preferred base of choice. Could this be happening again? We don't know, but it remains a possibility. If they end up choosing to expand at LPL / DSA, MAN will have to accept that: it is a competitive free market outcome. But the reverse is also true.
Whatever your ambitions for your preferred local airport may be, it is a fact that this process of competing for business results in lower fares for consumers. And that is what the competition authorities like to see. MAN is doing nothing wrong in competing for business with neighbouring airports. And, conversely, neither are they in bidding against MAN.
And as for the airlines: they've never needed improved terms from suppliers more than they do now.
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No matter which side of the Mersey you may be from - Manchester is technically on the South bank - can I commend the above post for its analysis of the present situation and the clear way in which the options open to both airlines and airports are explored.
2021 will be a year that none of us will have experienced before - both physically and, I do believe, emotionally. It will be as if a world war has been raging, and indeed in many ways it has been. All I can hope for is that I, together with all those on this site, survive and are once again able to enjoy, in due course, the ability to travel from an airport that is within our reach - without having to travel down to the Big Smoke.
Stay safe and, if temporarily on furlough or unemployed, I trust that there will be a positive outlook on life.
2021 will be a year that none of us will have experienced before - both physically and, I do believe, emotionally. It will be as if a world war has been raging, and indeed in many ways it has been. All I can hope for is that I, together with all those on this site, survive and are once again able to enjoy, in due course, the ability to travel from an airport that is within our reach - without having to travel down to the Big Smoke.
Stay safe and, if temporarily on furlough or unemployed, I trust that there will be a positive outlook on life.
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Hi
I think Manchester is actually on the north bank.
The Mersey starts in Stockport, and skirts a smallish portion of South Greater Manchester. Manchester and the vast majority of GM is north of the Mersey👍
Sioltach Dubh Glas , 22nd Nov 2020 13:49
No matter which side of the Mersey you may be from - Manchester is technically on the South bank - can I commend the above post for its analysis of the present situation and the clear way in which the options open to both airlines and airports are explored.
I think Manchester is actually on the north bank.
The Mersey starts in Stockport, and skirts a smallish portion of South Greater Manchester. Manchester and the vast majority of GM is north of the Mersey👍
Sioltach Dubh Glas , 22nd Nov 2020 13:49
No matter which side of the Mersey you may be from - Manchester is technically on the South bank - can I commend the above post for its analysis of the present situation and the clear way in which the options open to both airlines and airports are explored.
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Not seen this on this thread and borrowed from a post on BHX thread by nwoody2001
Manchester - the ACL Slot report has been release and shown the following airline have applied for the following:
= Aer LIngus - a 4 a/c base operating long haul routes to the USA (1x A330 and 3x A321LR)
= Wizz Air - a 4 a/c base operating across europe (4x A321s)
= Ryanair - increase their base at MAN by adding an additional 5x a/c to their existing base
Not mentioned above is the proposed increase for S21 by EZY by 4 a/c at MAN.
Obviously regularly slots are returned, but with rumour of some of the deals offered to the likes of RYR and EZY by MAG, links now with WIZZ surfacing and rumours of EZY pulling LPL...is MAN aggresively going for LPL to replace to some what has been lost ?
To be honest under current circumstances does it really make sense to EZY and RYR to have bases 30 miles apart ? If Wizz did open MAN would same apply to them ?
Is this possibly something we'll repeatedly see across Europe as airlines consolidate thier positions until things return to at least something like normal ?
Is there significant cause for LPL to be very worried ?
Manchester - the ACL Slot report has been release and shown the following airline have applied for the following:
= Aer LIngus - a 4 a/c base operating long haul routes to the USA (1x A330 and 3x A321LR)
= Wizz Air - a 4 a/c base operating across europe (4x A321s)
= Ryanair - increase their base at MAN by adding an additional 5x a/c to their existing base
Not mentioned above is the proposed increase for S21 by EZY by 4 a/c at MAN.
Obviously regularly slots are returned, but with rumour of some of the deals offered to the likes of RYR and EZY by MAG, links now with WIZZ surfacing and rumours of EZY pulling LPL...is MAN aggresively going for LPL to replace to some what has been lost ?
To be honest under current circumstances does it really make sense to EZY and RYR to have bases 30 miles apart ? If Wizz did open MAN would same apply to them ?
Is this possibly something we'll repeatedly see across Europe as airlines consolidate thier positions until things return to at least something like normal ?
Is there significant cause for LPL to be very worried ?
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