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Old 9th Jun 2020, 11:35
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What a weird rant about freight.........
Freight doesn't care where it lands. A 5-6 hour end truck journey is inconsequential to 95+% of all air freight.
MAG has cargo specialist airports - one being 3 hours from Manchester by truck.
MAN has not been a cargo focused airport for years and is not currently geared up for rapid changes to that reality in either trained manpower or necessary equipment.
None of this is news...........

I brought a consignment of PPE in from China for my business via airfreight last week.
The kit was made in Shandong province, for some reason it flew out of Mainland China via Hong Kong 1000+ miles away and ended up at EMA. Couldn't care less why. It turned up on time.......


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Old 9th Jun 2020, 12:34
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If you reread the premise of the original statement you would be clear that it is not a rant but a considered judgement of the opportunities potentially being missed in what is a much changed landscape.

Might i also point out it is somewhat disingenuous to suggest there is no money in freight if an aircraft applies to use Manchester, but then amplify the reasons why it should be redirected to EMA where incredibly it becomes beneficial creating both "revenue" and indeed jobs.

You cannot have it both ways ?

I have no objection to EMA being the principal parcel hub within MAG I do however object to enquiries for general cargo (and indeed PPE) from airlines to use Manchester, being artificially redirected to other airports due to a clear lack of the imaginative and creative thinking that was once so prevalent.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 13:17
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I have no objection to EMA being the principal parcel hub within MAG I do however object to enquiries for general cargo (and indeed PPE) from airlines to use Manchester, being artificially redirected to other airports due to a clear lack of the imaginative and creative thinking that was once so prevalent.
Navpi / Bagso. It is a bit of a rant. I don't think it's up to you to decide if EMA should be just a parcel hub or not. As you know, imagination /creative thinking at MAN ended after Gil Thomson. Since those days, the airport has not been responsive to passengers - customers - users, but to shareholders first and foremost. We see this from their public grandstanding on public transport but in reality encouraging raking it in on car park & drop off fees. Engineering security queues in order to flog fast tracks- that often weren't. We also see this now, when airlines are on their backsides- MAN are introducing increases to their office rents. So, Navpi, I wouldn't bother trying to suggest anything- MAN is a closed book these days let them get on with it.
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 13:58
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The logistics around moving freight have been covered by others already but I wanted to pick up on a couple of other statements

Dressing this up as a finance issue is absolutely ludicrous.

How so? Are you are advocating that MAG accommodate this as some kind of goodwill gesture whether there is money in it or not? (Maybe not an inappropriate sentiment in these times and potentially good PR.) Otherwise, I know these are not normal times but MAG surely needs to turn a profit?

In fact, later you state

Gtr Manchester taxpayers are subsidising the airport to the tune of £250m, quite right, over the years they have benefited enormously from millions in dividends

Which suggests that MAG must be doing something right if the Manchester taxpayers see a return from their investment in normal circumstances. Surely now, you would expect the board to make the best return on the councils / taxpayers £250m? If handling freight through MAN is not the best return on that investment, why do it? As stated, you can’t have it both ways.
From what I can see, aviation right now is not making money – it is doing its utmost to minimise the losses and I imagine MAG is in the same position. In my mind that feels more like striking the right balance and not an excuse.

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Old 9th Jun 2020, 15:30
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Originally Posted by commit aviation View Post
Navpi

The logistics around moving freight have been covered by others already but I wanted to pick up on a couple of other statements

Dressing this up as a finance issue is absolutely ludicrous.

How so? Are you are advocating that MAG accommodate this as some kind of goodwill gesture whether there is money in it or not? (Maybe not an inappropriate sentiment in these times and potentially good PR.) Otherwise, I know these are not normal times but MAG surely needs to turn a profit?

In fact, later you state

Gtr Manchester taxpayers are subsidising the airport to the tune of £250m, quite right, over the years they have benefited enormously from millions in dividends

Which suggests that MAG must be doing something right if the Manchester taxpayers see a return from their investment in normal circumstances. Surely now, you would expect the board to make the best return on the councils / taxpayers £250m? If handling freight through MAN is not the best return on that investment, why do it? As stated, you canít have it both ways.
From what I can see, aviation right now is not making money Ė it is doing its utmost to minimise the losses and I imagine MAG is in the same position. In my mind that feels more like striking the right balance and not an excuse.
How do you know that the freight company involved doesn't want to use an airport other than MAN. It may get better cargo (not airport) charges from other handling agents at other airports such as EMA, CWL, BHX. It may be the NHS themselves that selected these airports from a list that included MAN.

How much revenue do you think MAN would receive from, say 1 wide body flight a day on a quick turn? Is it feasible that contracts with partners such as NATS could have been temporarily renegotiated and it would cost MAN more than this charter revenue if they went beyond X additional movements or they arrive out of specified hours?
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 11:38
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Just had a notification from one of our suppliers advising that United have pulled Newark for the "foreseeable future".
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 13:45
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Just had a notification from one of our suppliers advising that United have pulled Newark for the "foreseeable future".
Certainly not bookable but EDI-EWR is, which is ominous.

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Old 13th Jun 2020, 13:56
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Originally Posted by OltonPete View Post
Certainly not bookable but EDI-EWR is, which is ominous.

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With Covid-19 cases on the rise in many US states, in all probability as a direct result of Trump's daft policies, and those of state governors who support Trump, travel between the US and UK isn't likely to gain much traction for a few months yet. If the UK were to implement an "air bridge" with the USA at this stage it would be rank stupidity, and show that politics was the priority, not public health. In this situation it's frankly surprising that any US routes from the UK regions are slated to operate.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 14:22
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Not suprised as things are a bit dodgy in US at present, I wouldn`t go for sure for several reasons ( 3 off top of head) and wouldn`t want them over here either

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Old 14th Jun 2020, 20:32
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Can I mention 2 points with regards to the United service Manchester/Newark.

Firstly the latest ACL report for Winter 20 still shows the airline as holding slots for a daily service. There is no mention of United in the comments section, however this is because there is no change from the details for W19.

Secondly a reliable source has advised that United are still finalising their plans for the winter. Let's leave the guessing until the truth is known.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 14:01
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T3 Opening 1st July
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 14:17
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Vuelling and Turkish returning, Lufthansa increasing, including a FRA nightstop. BA to increase to two per day. Qatar double daily also.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 14:25
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Vuelling and Turkish returning, Lufthansa increasing, including a FRA nightstop. BA to increase to two per day. Qatar double daily also.
VY not back until th 14th Jul and BA scaled back slightly - x2 daily now not until 16th Jul I believe. I2 still down for an Aug return despite what is written elswere.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 14:29
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Not quite sure what you mean by BA scaling back, I thought they were only at 6/week at the moment. Is I2 iberia Express?
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 14:36
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Not quite sure what you mean by BA scaling back, I thought they were only at 6/week at the moment. Is I2 iberia Express?
Yes, I2 is Iberia Express. BA were planned to do x2/daily for the whole of Jul, but have informed Menzies that it will be x3/weekly, however, their schedule at the moment is showing 1st/3rd/4th/6th / daily 8th-15th and the x2 daily thereafter.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 15:21
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Sunday 19 July Manchester Dublin dep 1720 arr 1830 by the unmentionable Middle East airline but operated by Stobart Air only £1905 single.Bargain!
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 15:37
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Originally Posted by Mister Geezer View Post
Just out of interest, does anyone know when T2/T3 are likely to open again?
T3. Aug 1st.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 16:20
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Why would the Enterprise of Tetchy Inclination Headquartered in Abu Dhabi be selling Manchester-Dublin flights on Stobart Air?
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 18:09
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zfw T3 is back open on 1st August.
Mister Geezer T2 hopefully won’t be far behind...flights increasing all the time during July and august. I’m predicting T2 will have to open during this time especially if TUI & Jet2 start flying from 15th July as planned...
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 18:14
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Originally Posted by MANFAN View Post
zfw T3 is back open on 1st August.
Mister Geezer T2 hopefully wonít be far behind...flights increasing all the time during July and august. Iím predicting T2 will have to open during this time especially if TUI & Jet2 start flying from 15th July as planned...
Glad to hear that @MANFAN and hopefully things will start to return to "normal" later in the year.
Any news on when T2X will come into use?
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