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Old 14th Dec 2018, 19:11
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From tomorrow's TAF.

Prob 30 Tempo 1509/1518 4000 FZRA

If this happens no one will be going any place with the resulting crap hold over times and the airports inability to de/anti-ice anything.

Be careful out there in your Turbo Props People.

Time to revisit the effects of tail plane icing.

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Old 15th Dec 2018, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Council Van View Post
From tomorrow's TAF.

Prob 30 Tempo 1509/1518 4000 FZRA

If this happens no one will be going any place with the resulting crap hold over times and the airports inability to de/anti-ice anything.

Be careful out there in your Turbo Props People.

Time to revisit the effects of tail plane icing.
I think you mean the airline-contracted ground handlers inability to de-ice any aircraft. The airport itself usually does rather well at de-icing the runways etc.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 14:34
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De-icing is not helped by the airport not accommodating remote de-icing, insisting it has to be done on stand, with a 15 minute taxi time and a holdover that starts as soon as you de-ice you have no chance. So although the airport does not do de-icing it is culpable for it's lack of remote de-icing as most other airports have!
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 17:03
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Originally Posted by Council Van View Post
From tomorrow's TAF.

Prob 30 Tempo 1509/1518 4000 FZRA

If this happens no one will be going any place with the resulting crap hold over times and the airports inability to de/anti-ice anything.

Be careful out there in your Turbo Props People.

Time to revisit the effects of tail plane icing.
Freezing rain goes well beyond any airport deicing ability. Runways / taxiways might be ok but the aircraft absolutely won't - regardless of how much (or how recently) they have been anti-iced, it's an absolute no-no as I understand it. I'm happy to be corrected if there are any pilots on here who could confirm a scenario in which they'd be happy to start, taxi and depart during freezing rain conditions.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 17:29
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It doesn't really matter what pilots are happy or unhappy with, most, if not all airline operations preclude their aircraft from operating in freezing rain/drizzle.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 17:30
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Originally Posted by flightcatcher View Post
Freezing rain goes well beyond any airport deicing ability. Runways / taxiways might be ok but the aircraft absolutely won't - regardless of how much (or how recently) they have been anti-iced, it's an absolute no-no as I understand it. I'm happy to be corrected if there are any pilots on here who could confirm a scenario in which they'd be happy to start, taxi and depart during freezing rain conditions.
I would have to consult the ops manual for hold over time, but have never departed in freezing rain so can not remember but I think you might get something like ten mins so remote de/anti icing at the hold would possibly give you a chance to get away if it was well organised as it is at such places as Munich with the drive through de icing
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 19:34
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light freezing rain type 4 fluid -3c and above 100% mix, 1 to 2 hours HOT, -3C TO -14C 30 mins HOT
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 20:48
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SAS

Aarhus is a new route for summer 2019 operating Mon/Wed/Fri.
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 21:52
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Aarhus with a full service carrier, that's quite left field even by Manchester standards!
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 22:10
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Would Belgrade with Air Serbia be even more left field then?
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 00:15
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Flight rider.
Tough one, but no.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 09:51
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Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
Would Belgrade with Air Serbia be even more left field then?
This confirmed yet?
Would be good. Belgrade is a large European capital city with a lot going for it - I recommend it to those who haven't been. Also Air Serbia is a pretty decent airline thanks to its Etihad legacy - have heard it's not quite as good as it was but still fine by today's standards.

Aarhus by SAS is definitely left field but very welcome - I work regularly with a Danish colleague who speaks highly of the place even though he is from CPH
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 14:34
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Nothing on Air Serbia website re Manchester. Just offers 1 stoppers to Belgrade.

definitely left field
More left field than Tashkent on Uzbekistan Airways or Havana on Cubana?

Is the definition of 'left field' = I'll be surprised if that works?
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 19:06
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Belgrade?

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Would Belgrade with Air Serbia be even more left field then?
Please can you advise if this is this serious new route information or just a joke? Thanks.

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Old 18th Dec 2018, 20:55
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It's serious. 2 x weekly A319.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 21:34
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It's serious. 2 x weekly A319.
Thanks Flightrider👍 Something a little different. I shall give it a go.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 14:59
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No posts about the LGW diversion frenzy today? MAN has taken 9 (right?) aircraft already, including a Virgin 747 and Norwegian 787-9. Might be another Norwegian on the way too?
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 15:48
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No posts about the LGW diversion frenzy today? MAN has taken 9 (right?) aircraft already, including a Virgin 747 and Norwegian 787-9. Might be another Norwegian on the way too?
MAN has taken 10 diversions and well done to all, considering the reduced stands, building site, etc.

Just pushed a red nose 787 into engine test bay so it must be getting a bit tight for room now?

Ironic that it is 8 years to the day when snow brought Heathrow to it's knees and we've seen many changes since to avoid such chaos. I guess we'll see the same 're-thinking' after this farce.
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 13:55
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Fom a drone over Gatwick to a drone in Whitehall.

It might be awake up call for Grayling etc.

I cannot believe that Sellafield, LATCC, Various RAF airfields don't (I suspect) have any defence against these things.

Fingers crossed MAG are on the ball.
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 22:26
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Fom a drone over Gatwick to a drone in Whitehall.

It might be awake up call for Grayling etc.

I cannot believe that Sellafield, LATCC, Various RAF airfields don't (I suspect) have any defence against these things.

Fingers crossed MAG are on the ball.
I once got a phone call for flying to close to the Heysham restricted zone around the power station.

We had told them we were coming, had not entered the restricted zone and as we were a Cat A flight the restriction did not apply to us so I gained great pleasure in pointing out the error of their ways and was left wondering how bright/prepared they were.

​​​​​In some place like Russia or the USA the Gatwick incident would have been over in 30 minutes, in Lefty Libtard UK, more than 30 hours.
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