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Old 30th May 2018, 20:24
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The 2nd Primera A321neo has indeed arrived, though it's not operating any transatlantic until Friday, 1st June.
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Old 30th May 2018, 20:50
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  1. OY-PAC arrived on Monday afternoon and was parked in a remote stand in Apron Delta
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Old 30th May 2018, 20:57
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I guess it’s just an error on the departure boards on Fr24, tomorrow also showing a departure to YYZ.
but still nice to hear the 2nd aircraft is already at Stansted.
so where is OY PAB ? BHX ?
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Old 30th May 2018, 22:47
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OY-PAB

Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
I guess itís just an error on the departure boards on Fr24, tomorrow also showing a departure to YYZ.
but still nice to hear the 2nd aircraft is already at Stansted.
so where is OY PAB ? BHX ?
Daz - I don't think OY-PAB has flown yet and is still at Finkenwerder. BHX has two National 757's with the ex Stansted one doing all the flying and second one arrived yesterday and has been parked up since then. Both A321's should operate on Friday from Stansted for the first time I believe unless anything has changed in the last day or so..

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Old 31st May 2018, 07:03
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Originally Posted by OltonPete View Post
Daz - I don't think OY-PAB has flown yet and is still at Finkenwerder. BHX has two National 757's with the ex Stansted one doing all the flying and second one arrived yesterday and has been parked up since then. Both A321's should operate on Friday from Stansted for the first time I believe unless anything has changed in the last day or so..

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thanks for the info Pete
all looking as things are slowly coming together after the turbulent start at Stansted, hope National behave at Birmingham over the coming weeks, I have heard lots of good reports from people who have flown on the new Airbus who were surprised how comfortable and spacious it is, along with the very friendly crew, Iím tempted to give them a go next time Iím crossing the pond.
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 07:00
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TUI are using Titan 757 ZAPX at present replacing their 737 DZY.
MT 4900 today using Titan 737-300 POWC
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 07:25
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Jet2 also continuing to use an additional Titan aircraft, They are currently using Titans B767 out of Stansted.
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 07:34
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Primera on Saturday were using Tailwind 737 4Q8 on the PM2876, their PAB not in use yet.
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 19:47
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Primera newest A321 (PAC) is operating out of CDG today.

The STN-EWR is shown as cancelled (not sure if it was ment to operate today or not) but the YYZ is operating with (PAA).
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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 10:09
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
Primera newest A321 (PAC) is operating out of CDG today.

The STN-EWR is shown as cancelled (not sure if it was ment to operate today or not) but the YYZ is operating with (PAA).
Daz - the Stansted pax to Newark last night started their journey on a coach to BHX apparently. The BHX - Newark was delayed 3 hours 45 to wait for them and yes they got the pax on one plane with Stansted taking up the majority. Obviously I don't how many passengers were bumped if any from the STN or BHX service. The BHX seat map for Saturday night was certainly much lower than the norm so it seems they took advantage and combined the flights.

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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 11:30
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Thanks for the info, it seems that (PAC) went empty STN-CDG then operated CDG-EWR then EWR-STN.
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 17:04
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Stansted in the wars over huge overnight arrivals delays early on Monday 4 June

Hundreds wait hours in Stansted Airport baggage 'chaos' - BBC News

"Cargo handlers Swissport said "seven times the number of anticipated flights arrived after 01:00 BST on Monday".". How can you have no idea what time flights are anticipated to arrive, the FIDS etc give several hours of forward forecasting, likewise the carriers.

" forced a high number of flights at Stansted to land outside of the scheduled operating hours". Um ... Stansted is an H24 operating hours airport.

Well, we came through 24 hours beforehand, early on Sunday 3 June (due 0045, arrived 0145) to find exactly the same situation. Not vast incoming delays but there are a lot due just before midnight which were coming in around 0100, which often seems par for the course there. And WHAT a disgrace that place is. Enormous Tensa-barrier slalom for immigration. Best part of 1,000 pax waiting at 0200. Large pile of uncleared vomit on the floor in this queueing area went completely unattended all the time we were there. Main clock overhead the queueing area stopped. No queue marshalling. One hour to get through the few immigration officers on duty. And then the bags weren't even out. Difficult to get close to the FIDS showing the baggage carousel because hundreds of people waiting there for information on bags from flights which not only had no carousel shown but had completely vanished from the board. Outside the transfer buses to the long term car park etc also appeared to have large queues and were disorganised and no vehicles appeared to be about. Finally got away well after 0300. What was noticeable was the very considerable number of vehicles actually coming in to the airport at that time, pretty much up to daytime traffic levels.

What did I say above about it being an H24 airport.
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 17:55
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It's quite simple... most flights are scheduled to be back in STN for the night by midnight, yet a good number are arriving significantly later. Most Swissport staff will finish their shifts so there's not enough staff to cope with the additional, unscheduled demand post 00:00 / 01:00. Every airport, handling agents etc. will all inadvertently have problems with resource planning when the airlines fly significantly off schedule. Of course, it's not as simple as an airport having H24 status.
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 18:16
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN View Post
It's quite simple... most flights are scheduled to be back in STN for the night by midnight, yet a good number are arriving significantly later. Most Swissport staff will finish their shifts so there's not enough staff to cope with the additional, unscheduled demand post 00:00 / 01:00. Every airport, handling agents etc. will all inadvertently have problems with resource planning when the airlines fly significantly off schedule. Of course, it's not as simple as an airport having H24 status.
BBC East tonight are flagging up the continuing problems at STN, and are now suggesting that handling, congestion and lack of staff are beginning to put a significant stain on Stansted's reputation.
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 18:23
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN View Post
Every airport, handling agents etc. will all inadvertently have problems with resource planning when the airlines fly significantly off schedule. Of course, it's not as simple as an airport having H24 status.
This is a uniquely British perspective on such problems. I say this because as I travel round elsewhere such gross terminal delays do not happen. Elsewhere airport operators are, it seems straightforwardly, able to handle delays to a far greater extent - long haul can easily be an hour early or late compared to schedule, but invariably crews are there waiting for you. In Britain it's quite common to find ground handling hangups even when on time.

They KNEW they were coming. I suspect parsimony with paying overtime is a far greater contributor to the issue.
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 18:37
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They KNEW they were coming. I suspect parsimony with paying overtime is a far greater contributor to the issue.
Agreed - such delays are entirely predictable and there should be contingency put in place. Suspect that there isn't the management around to organize/authorize overtime or extended shifts, coupled with a lack of good will from the staff involved as a result of poor pay/conditions.
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 19:29
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I would point out that in the image on the BBC article, there is one STN operator which had bags on the carousels, despite the lateness of any flights... Shows how bringing the work in-house can benefit!
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 20:16
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I heard around 15 flights were scheduled after midnight, in addition 35 delayed flights also landed after midnight, looking at 50+ aircraft landing there was no way this would be staffed for or even could be staffed just in case of delays.

I think this problem won’t be resolved any time soon, there is just not enough staff nor will airlines pay for more just in case.

However we are really talking Ryanair, I would rather fly with Jet2 if I was arriving back at Stansted 2330 onwards they have much better customer services and being self handling much easier to handle delayed aircraft.


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Old 4th Jun 2018, 21:43
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daz you say that but last Monday was exactly the same story, 7 flights scheduled after 1am but I was on one of about 30 or so after that time, and around 50 in total arrived after midnight. Jet2 may or may not have got their luggage quicker, but their delays were far longer in the first place.

In fact there have been big problems every day for a week or so. My flight was actually cancelled the day after and again on Thursday.

Most London airports have had problems, but STN (and SEN) have had the double whammy of European delays AND poor weather (especially fog) of their own.
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 06:56
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Regarding the problems last Sunday night/early Monday it really is a viscous circle.Firstly the queues at immigration are not the airport's fault. Not enough staff employed by the Border Agency - write to Maybot (ex Home Secretary) and good luck with that. Now we come to the delayed flights, passengers want the cheapest fares so the airline has to get the best possible deal with the handling agent or if self handling keep the costs down to a bare minimum, so if flights are delayed after the end of the main shift the handling agent will be reluctant to pay overtime due to any profit been made seen to go out of the window even if some of the staff are willing to stay on. So you end up with the scenario of last Sunday/Monday unfortunately. It will not be just a Stansted problem other airports are going to be in the same situation in the weeks to come and you can do nothing about the weather!
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