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Old 12th Mar 2020, 19:50
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 View Post
If it was Swiss I'd have thought it would be Zurich? I don't know how big their ops are at GVA. I'd be very shocked if it was Easyjet Switzerland considering the sheer volume of flights that go into Bristol.
Swiss have a decent A220 fleet at GVA that could work nicely on a few weekly flights to CWL. Helvetic don't have a base at GVA afaik so unlikely to be them, same with Edelweiss. EZS is, in theory a different company to EZY so I can't see them caring too much about BRS ops.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 20:11
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Swiss have a decent A220 fleet at GVA that could work nicely on a few weekly flights to CWL. Helvetic don't have a base at GVA afaik so unlikely to be them, same with Edelweiss. EZS is, in theory a different company to EZY so I can't see them caring too much about BRS ops.
Totally agree about EZY & EZS, they are operated as separate airports in the UK such as BOH & SOU. A weekly GVA with EZS would be a good gain for CWL.

Most importantly would be Paris and letís hope this is sorted ASAP and reintroduced on a daily basis. CDG always had high decent passenger loads to hope AF Hop (or another airline) realise this.

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Old 12th Mar 2020, 20:24
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Surely we are all missing the obvious - this is what Eastern are recruiting for!!

Seriously, my money would be on this one...

A weekly GVA with EZS would be a good gain for CWL.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 20:26
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Surely we are all missing the obvious - this is what Eastern are recruiting for!!

Seriously, my money would be on this one...
Good point there and will tie in nicely if thatís the case. Obviously CDG & GVA ďare pendingĒ so watch this space I guess, only time will tell (and letís hope itís soon)
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 22:03
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Totally agree about EZY & EZS, they are operated as separate airports in the UK such as BOH & SOU. A weekly GVA with EZS would be a good gain for CWL.

Most importantly would be Paris and let’s hope this is sorted ASAP and reintroduced on a daily basis. CDG always had high decent passenger loads to hope AF Hop (or another airline) realise this.
EZY do 5 or 6 fights to GVA on a saturday in the winter season. The last EZY flight on a saturday is operated by EZS.They have operated the odd GVA on other days.EZS also operate into Gatwick every day,but im not sure if thats from ZRH or GVA.

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Old 13th Mar 2020, 09:24
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EZY do 5 or 6 fights to GVA on a saturday in the winter season. The last EZY flight on a saturday is operated by EZS.They have operated the odd GVA on other days.EZS also operate into Gatwick every day,but im not sure if thats from ZRH or GVA.
But as mentioned previously could Eastern have something up their sleeve here, recruiting for CWL crew (doubtful it is solely for the VLY route) and the ďpossibilityĒ of CDG being added soon??
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 11:20
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All very much pie in the sky if you ask me!

I very much doubt anyone is likely to take on the GVA route at this time. Not least to say any W20/21 schedules from the EZY/EZS airlines aren't even on sale yet! And as I said previously, the CWL website shows GVA as a one stop connection via AMS.

As for Paris CDG, I have no doubt this route will return - just not yet. This coronavirus is hurting airlines globally. They are not going to rush into things, unfortunately. Yes, they have rushed into EXT, SOU and to some extent BHD - but just look at the airlines that are offering these services! Some of which have already made huge cuts to their schedules for the foreseeable future, and even made cancellations from day one - not the airlines CWL want's to punt on right now.

This isn't going to go away anytime soon. In that respect, CWL has done well not to jump into bed with anyone who will come knocking right now.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 11:36
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Originally Posted by fanrailuk View Post
All very much pie in the sky if you ask me!

I very much doubt anyone is likely to take on the GVA route at this time. Not least to say any W20/21 schedules from the EZY/EZS airlines aren't even on sale yet! And as I said previously, the CWL website shows GVA as a one stop connection via AMS.

As for Paris CDG, I have no doubt this route will return - just not yet. This coronavirus is hurting airlines globally. They are not going to rush into things, unfortunately. Yes, they have rushed into EXT, SOU and to some extent BHD - but just look at the airlines that are offering these services! Some of which have already made huge cuts to their schedules for the foreseeable future, and even made cancellations from day one - not the airlines CWL want's to punt on right now.

This isn't going to go away anytime soon. In that respect, CWL has done well not to jump into bed with anyone who will come knocking right now.
The connections via Amsterdam are for the summer. Geneva is a winter only route at Cardiff unfortunately. Winter says information available soon. So we'll have to wait and see what happens.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 11:58
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Originally Posted by fanrailuk View Post
All very much pie in the sky if you ask me!

I very much doubt anyone is likely to take on the GVA route at this time. Not least to say any W20/21 schedules from the EZY/EZS airlines aren't even on sale yet! And as I said previously, the CWL website shows GVA as a one stop connection via AMS.

As for Paris CDG, I have no doubt this route will return - just not yet. This coronavirus is hurting airlines globally. They are not going to rush into things, unfortunately. Yes, they have rushed into EXT, SOU and to some extent BHD - but just look at the airlines that are offering these services! Some of which have already made huge cuts to their schedules for the foreseeable future, and even made cancellations from day one - not the airlines CWL want's to punt on right now.

This isn't going to go away anytime soon. In that respect, CWL has done well not to jump into bed with anyone who will come knocking right now.
I couldn't agree more. With CV lots of Airlines are going to suffer. Some might not survive. Disneyland has shut its doors which will effect CDG bookings. Travel in general is down and is likely to drop a lot further. CWL does need a Paris link but doesn't necessarily need another full service carrier offering connections.
It's time for CWL to sensibly retreat and protect what it's got. That being KL and QR from a connections point of view. AF don't bring anything worthwhile to the table that KL dont already offer, except for a direct link to CDG.
As for GVA, I can't see any Airline launching a brand new route just yet, even for next winter and I dont see why EZY or EZS would come to CWL knowing the volumes they can get through BRS.

On a separate note, interesting to see Blue Islands opening a 1x aircraft base at EXT. They only have 5 aircraft in the fleet but if they decide to expand it would be nice to see them at CWL on some of the uncovered BE routes. They are starting JER-EXT which will be in direct competition with their BRS-JER route. The ideal scenario is for them to switch their BRS route to CWL, go daily and utilise the aircraft to something like JER-CWL-DUB/BHD-CWL-JER. Provided EZY stay off BRS-JER they would have a monopoly on the route from the Southwest and South Wales. Switching the usage to CWL from BRS.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 13:41
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Not sure any airline would leave a primary airport like BRS to set up a CWL operation thinking they will have a monopoly on JER from the South West by doing so. It is more likely a competitor (doesn't have to be EZY) would then come in to BRS to replace that lost link and everyone suffers.

Unfortunately this is a time for downsizing not expansion.

I agree fully that CWL has done a good job at not jumping into bed with the first airline knocking on the door. I see difficulty ahead for all three airlines that have done that at EXT, SOU, MME and BHD - Eastern, Loganair and Blue Islands. Some of those new routes have 0 pax on them or in the case of MME 3 or 4 at best. Come on people - this is not how you run an airline!
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 14:45
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 View Post
Not sure any airline would leave a primary airport like BRS to set up a CWL operation thinking they will have a monopoly on JER from the South West by doing so. It is more likely a competitor (doesn't have to be EZY) would then come in to BRS to replace that lost link and everyone suffers.

Unfortunately this is a time for downsizing not expansion.

I agree fully that CWL has done a good job at not jumping into bed with the first airline knocking on the door. I see difficulty ahead for all three airlines that have done that at EXT, SOU, MME and BHD - Eastern, Loganair and Blue Islands. Some of those new routes have 0 pax on them or in the case of MME 3 or 4 at best. Come on people - this is not how you run an airline!
I don't think anyone is expecting them to ditch BRS but it would be good to get Jersey back especially as it's a long standing route.
As for CWL doing a good job of not jumping into bed with the first airline to come along praise, you're assuming that there is an airline there to jump into bed with in the first place?
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 14:53
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I see difficulty ahead for all three airlines that have done that at EXT, SOU, MME and BHD - Eastern, Loganair and Blue Islands. Some of those new routes have 0 pax on them or in the case of MME 3 or 4 at best. Come on people - this is not how you run an airline!
The MME operation didn't have anything to do with BE really, other than being sold through their website, but why bother with pesky facts. Talking of which, where are the pax figures quoted from?

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Old 13th Mar 2020, 18:45
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I think the point SWBKCB is that MME is just as much of a basket case as the others mentioned. Arguing about why and who and where is missing the point.

What we have seen is definitely not sustainable. It wonít look like this in 12 months time thatís for sure.

There is a reason Flybe couldnít be saved!!
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 18:55
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We are entering unprecedented times, impossible to predict with any accuracy which carriers, routes or even airports will still be here in 12 months time. As has been suggested previously, time to batten down the hatches and wait for the storm to pass. CWL will always survive, in what future form nobody knows.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 19:10
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I think the point SWBKCB is that MME is just as much of a basket case as the others mentioned. Arguing about why and who and where is missing the point.
The point I was making was that if you are going to use facts to support an arguement, they should be accurate or you undermine your own arguement.

And it might look like this in 12 months time, but it won't be for the reason Flybe couldn't be saved - you're comparing expensive, leased oranges to fully depreciated apples.

And no - MME isn't.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 07:08
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It looks like most probably due to coronavirus Loganair have taken flights off sale on the Glasgow route for March, April and May. They are as follows.
Wednesday 18/3/20, Wednesday 25/3/20, Tuesday 31/3/20, Tuesday 7/4/20, Wednesday 15/4/20, Monday 20/4/20, Tuesday 28/4/20. Looks like there will be no flights on Tuesdays and Wednesdays in May. It also looks like during April and May some of the 20.50 departures on Fridays and the 11.05 departures on Sundays have been taken offsale or are marked as sold out. It looks like the schedule gets back to normal in June.
Edinburgh looks unaffected so far.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 07:14
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Divert

Was there a divert from Exeter at 0200am today ? Thanks
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Old 17th Mar 2020, 12:37
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KLM will drop down to 1 daily for the next 3 days at least. It'll be the 10am departure that operates.
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 14:11
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According to Routesonline

Qatar are cancelling 5 of the Doha services from the 31 st March until 31st May

Other UK airports are seeing similar reductions
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Old 21st Mar 2020, 14:36
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According to Routesonline

Qatar are cancelling 5 of the Doha services from the 31 st March until 31st May

Other UK airports are seeing similar reductions
Yep CWL will be 3 weekly next week and then suspended until 1st June. BHX will also be suspended. LHR MAN and I think EDI will continue.
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