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[PDXCWL45]

New Meet and Greet car park service has been launched.
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/news...greet-service/

[shamrock7seal]

34% load factor on the Doha service is definitely not 'moving in the right direction' to quote someone in an earlier post.

This route better start working or it will be gone quicker than you realise.

Newcastles Dubai service was around 70% when it first launched.

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by shamrock7seal

34% load factor on the Doha service is definitely not 'moving in the right direction' to quote someone in an earlier post.

This route better start working or it will be gone quicker than you realise.

Newcastles Dubai service was around 70% when it first launched.

Well I'd have thought it has 2 year's at least considering the marketing deal in place. If what I've heard is correct then July should be a lot better.

[bycrewlgw]

Originally Posted by shamrock7seal

34% load factor on the Doha service is definitely not 'moving in the right direction' to quote someone in an earlier post.

This route better start working or it will be gone quicker than you realise.

Newcastles Dubai service was around 70% when it first launched.

So being down 8% is a better direction in your opinion then given that being up 8% is definitely not moving in the right direction?

[edi_local]

Originally Posted by shamrock7seal

34% load factor on the Doha service is definitely not 'moving in the right direction' to quote someone in an earlier post.

This route better start working or it will be gone quicker than you realise.

Newcastles Dubai service was around 70% when it first launched.

Is it your decision?

It'll stay for ages yet, certainly until the other side of Qatar 2022, so better get used to the fact that CWL has a ME link. You have no idea of the inbound loads, the split in the cabin, the cargo loads or any corporate contracts the route may be sustaining.

Look at some of the cities QR are going to be flying to and think to yourself if they really care about things like load factors. TLL, GOT, LUX, AGP, JMK? Hardly massive inbound markets on the global scale and very small populations (relative to other QR cities) for outbound too.Not traditionally places which would have a ME link for sure. It's about promoting Qatar for the upcoming world cup and the fact it can stand up against the blockade too.

[shamrock7seal]

Let's hope the route starts to cover its direct operating costs for a start

[heading 125]

Originally Posted by shamrock7seal

Let's hope the route starts to cover its direct operating costs for a start

The QR flight is making money with the cargo on board only, technically it doesn't need any passengers to make a profit on the route. July and August figures for the pax are doing very well indeed. Inbound pax are good as well and bringing in a variety of foreign tourists in particular Japanese. So the flight is starting to do what the Welsh Assembly wanted more tourists to Wales. 👍 Cardiff City centre seems to have a bigger mix of foreign tourists. So that can only be good for Wales finances. I am not a fan of the Welsh Assembly, but what they have done with Cardiff Airport seems to be working well at the moment.

[ATNotts]

The QR flight is making money with the cargo on board only, technically it doesn't need any passengers to make a profit on the route.

I don't know where you got this assertion from!! Passenger aircraft should make money from the passengers; the cargo should add to that profit. It has always been thus, air cargo rarely makes money as a stand alone business for passenger carriers, if it did them BA would have a fleet of their own cargo aircraft, which they don't.

And before anyone mentions UPS and FedEx; they are integrators not traditional cargo airlines.

[shamrock7seal]

Agreed. Belly hold cargo usually brings in around 5-20% max of total revenue for a flight like this. 5-10% for outliers (like BHX) and 15-20% for major cities (like LHR)

[Letsflycwl]

Are Flybe starting CWL-PMI flights as of April 2019? Heard a few rumours and it’s been added onto Wiki (I know that’s not gospel) but someone must know if this rumour is true.

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

Are Flybe starting CWL-PMI flights as of April 2019? Heard a few rumours and it’s been added onto Wiki (I know that’s not gospel) but someone must know if this rumour is true.

That's interesting. Hopefully it'll be part of an expansion and not replace either Berlin or Dusselsdorf or both!

[FRatSTN]

someone must know if this rumour is true.

I doubt anyone with any meaningful information would be shouting it from the rooftops if it were. These things tend to be confidential until any public announcement.

[caaardiff]

Originally Posted by FRatSTN

I doubt anyone with any meaningful information would be shouting it from the rooftops if it were. These things tend to be confidential until any public announcement.

Agreed. And they certainly wouldn't be taking the time to update Wikipedia

[Letsflycwl]

Yeah agree with you both there but who ever bumped the information into Wiki was very date specific for April next year, wait and see I guess

[PDXCWL45]

Flew with Iberia Express to Madrid yesterday from Cardiff. Great flight and great route that CWL has attracted! Also by my estimate at least half the passengers of about 160 were Spanish and at time's it felt like it was a domestic flight in Spain! It's great that the route is attracting Spanish tourists into Wales!

[SWBKCB]

What's the basis for stating they werre tourists?

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

What's the basis for stating they werre tourists?

Just my general impression from what i observed on the flight.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

What's the basis for stating they werre tourists?

I believe that in the eyes of tourism boards every visitor to anywhere who overnights is categorised as a "tourist" whether they're traveling for business or pleasure!

To be honest, if 50% of the load were Spanish that in itself is a result for Cardiff and greater South Wales in general.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

The QR flight is making money with the cargo on board only, technically it doesn't need any passengers to make a profit on the route.

Cargo is merely additional revenue, it’s always necessary in this market to carry good passenger loads *ESPECIALLY* down the pointy end. Look no further than Etihad at EDI to see what happens next if you don’t.

[CabinCrewe]

How do we **KNOW** the ***POINTY*** end of EY EDI wasnt propping up the rest?