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Old 18th Jul 2018, 13:15
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last week i think it said
doh I read it as being they said last week... :-)
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Old 18th Jul 2018, 14:53
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Cardiff Airport's Masterplan has been launched today.
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/news/2018/07/18/our-vision-for-2040/
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 09:33
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Flybe have released their first phase of spring/summer 2019. I've had a quick look and at the moment Belfast City looks unchanged with the exception of no flights onsale on Saturdays so 11 weekly at the moment, Dublin is 14 weekly, Cork 2 weekly, Faro 4 weekly, Glasgow 5 weekly, Jersey 2 weekly, Milan 2 weekly, Paris 10 weekly, Rome 2 weekly so no change with them, Edinburgh has gone up to 17 weekly with extra flights on Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays. At the moment Dusseldorf, Berlin, Munich, Verona and Venice aren't onsale but this is only their first release.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 11:30
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 View Post
Flybe have released their first phase of spring/summer 2019. I've had a quick look and at the moment Belfast City looks unchanged with the exception of no flights onsale on Saturdays so 11 weekly at the moment, Dublin is 14 weekly, Cork 2 weekly, Faro 4 weekly, Glasgow 5 weekly, Jersey 2 weekly, Milan 2 weekly, Paris 10 weekly, Rome 2 weekly so no change with them, Edinburgh has gone up to 17 weekly with extra flights on Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays. At the moment Dusseldorf, Berlin, Munich, Verona and Venice aren't onsale but this is only their first release.
lets see if this 4th a/c comes
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 16:11
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lets see if this 4th a/c comes
At the moment with the current schedule there will be 3 E175s based. Verona and Venice have now go onsale at 2 weekly each so it's just the German routes still to come and any new routes if they are any to come. My personal opinion is IF they are going to add a 4th aircraft then it won't be announced this week because of the launch of the Masterplan.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 06:58
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Cardiff is expecting it's busiest summer holiday season in a decade with 296,000 people expected to jet off on holiday over the next 6 weeks.
The top 10 most popular routes are
Palma Majorca, with TUI, Thomas Cook and Vueling
Amsterdam, with KLM
Doha, with Qatar Airways
Alicante, with TUI and Vueling
Malaga, with TUI and Vueling
Edinburgh, with Flybe
Dublin, with Flybe
Faro, with Flybe, TUI and Ryanair
Tenerife, with TUI, Thomas Cook and Ryanair
Dalaman, with TUI and Thomas Cook
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/new...ng-busiest-summer-holiday-season-in-a-decade/
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 10:43
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Originally Posted by Callum Paterson View Post
Emirates are not subsidised out of Newcastle. I believe Qatar are "heavily" subsidised by the Welsh government.

The comments in the aforementioned article backup exactly what I heard from QR UK sales staff around a month ago. They are very pleased with all their UK routes, apart from CWL. This route is very much under the microscope and as the old saying goes... use it or lose it!
thats really strange as a friend of my Uncles best friend son's said that all the world wide QR are extremely happy with how Cardiff is performing. My source might be more accurate than yours. Come on guys or girls grow up. I don't think anyone in the industry really reads PPRuNe any more.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 11:55
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Well according to the airport the route is now in the top 3 of most popular routes and if they got that from July figures so far and it's ranked above Alicante and Malaga then the route may well see more than 10,000 passengers on it in July but we'll not know for certain until the July CAA stats come out.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 13:26
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with an almost daily widebody flooding with seats it would not be difficult even half full to trump low cost to Benidorm.
Airport promo holiday announcements are just that, promos and may bear no resemblemce to formal numbers
As you say, wait for CAA stats. If not going good guns high summer when can it.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 14:34
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A technicality? What he doesn't say is that the route isn't making a profit. For all we know it's making a profit just not as much as was expected and maybe the expectation was set too high?
As for the fares. Again we don't know the cost structure so just because a fare is low compared to another airport doesn't mean the yeild is low. Airports like Heahtrow and Manchester will have higher charges than an airport like Cardiff.
As for subsidy again you are assuming there is a subsidy. And as for European capitals Cardiff has routes to 7 if you count Edinburgh and Belfast as European capitals 5 if you don't and hopefully will gain more in the years to come. And as for lack of Orlando and Caribbean (there are flights in the winter) so what? Just because Cardiff doesn't have these then what it shouldn't have Doha?
Look back at the posts on this thread and you'll find a lot of negativity towards this airport especially considering the Doha route but people are entiltled to their opinions as it's a free country and we all have the right to free speech.
One thing is for certain the route currently will not even be making a contribution let alone a profit and nor is it expected. The normal measurement for route development are year 1 loss, year 2 break even and year 3 contribution /profit.
I don't know why people are banging on about subsidies all airports in the UK and Europe, (with the exception of LHR) dish out ' marketing incentives ' for start up routes no different here in Cardiff.
This is the time to grab the headlines as it is Farnborough week and His Excellency will smartly use any opportunity! CWL is an absolute pleasure to fly out of compared to the 'Cattle Market 'along the M4, spinning 30 times around the London TMA before touchdown, Heaven
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 10:18
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Originally Posted by Callum Paterson View Post
Emirates are not subsidised out of Newcastle. I believe Qatar are "heavily" subsidised by the Welsh government.

The comments in the aforementioned article backup exactly what I heard from QR UK sales staff around a month ago. They are very pleased with all their UK routes, apart from CWL. This route is very much under the microscope and as the old saying goes... use it or lose it!
are you appearing in the Edinburgh Festival , you seem like a right comedian?
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 12:25
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Originally Posted by Callum Paterson View Post
Emirates are not subsidised out of Newcastle. I believe Qatar are "heavily" subsidised by the Welsh government.

The comments in the aforementioned article backup exactly what I heard from QR UK sales staff around a month ago. They are very pleased with all their UK routes, apart from CWL. This route is very much under the microscope and as the old saying goes... use it or lose it!
If the route is heavily subsidised as you believe then why would the route be under a microscope from Qatar?
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 12:38
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Quite clearly the Cardiff fanboys are upset that their only long haul route is failing so badly, but to personally attack people over a bloody air route is simply pathetic. Go outside and get a life. Sad, sad individuals.

Some on here will need to be put on suicide watch when this route gets dropped.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 14:01
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Originally Posted by Callum Paterson View Post
Quite clearly the Cardiff fanboys are upset that their only long haul route is failing so badly, but to personally attack people over a bloody air route is simply pathetic. Go outside and get a life. Sad, sad individuals.

Some on here will need to be put on suicide watch when this route gets dropped.
Yet the only time certain people post on here is to have a go at it. Its odd how very few seem to comment about other news like the Masterplan!
It's only been in operation for 3 months yet already people are predicting doom and gloom! And this 'fanboy' would be disappointed yes but not that disappointed!
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 15:12
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Originally Posted by Callum Paterson View Post
Quite clearly the Cardiff fanboys are upset that their only long haul route is failing so badly, but to personally attack people over a bloody air route is simply pathetic. Go outside and get a life. Sad, sad individuals.

Some on here will need to be put on suicide watch when this route gets dropped.
lol. Pot and kettle spring to mind...
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 13:30
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lol. Pot and kettle spring to mind...
With the Welsh Government apparently paying Qatar 1 million per year for the first 2 years (extendable) I think it is safe for a bit.

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Old 24th Jul 2018, 13:36
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With the Welsh Government apparently paying Qatar 1 million per year for the first 2 years (extendable) I think it is safe for a bit.

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To advertise Wales as a destination throughout their network.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 14:04
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Originally Posted by Centre cities View Post
With the Welsh Government apparently paying Qatar 1 million per year for the first 2 years (extendable) I think it is safe for a bit.

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Where did you get this information from? I suspected a subsidy, not that much by any means though.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 15:00
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On BBC Wales website, it works out at just over 5.00 per seat inbound and outbound. If the Welsh Assembly are happy to fund this, then I am happy to carry on paying my taxes , not that I have any choice.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 15:45
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-44810051

The dosh is match funding between the Welsh government and Qatar to promote Wales. Renewable for a further year.

Qatar are continuing to move into secondary airports. I see that they are planning on Gothenburg.
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