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Old 17th Jan 2018, 19:09
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Jet2 have expanded the NYC flights even further, up to 8 flights in Oct/Nov/Dec 2018
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 08:37
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Second only to MAN, by 1 flight. Very good to see October half term flights still running, as well as New Years Eve making a return.

29/10 - 02/11, 757
01/11 - 06/11, 757
12/11 - 16/11, 757
26/11 - 30/11, 757
06/12 - 10/12, 757
10/12 - 14/12, 757
14/12 - 18/12, 757
29/12 - 03/01, 757

Also worth noting the following are also on sale, which appear to be scheduled on 737 800's as well

Berlin - 07/12
Copenhagen - 30/11
Munich - 30/11
Vienna - 23/11 + 07/11 (doubled up from 2017)

Promising to see LS making a success out of these charters
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 10:48
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Good to see growth. LS seem to be the only one interested in NCL atm. TCX were supposed to have 3x based 321's this summer, however it will be 2x 321 and 1x 320 again...
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 12:38
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I hadn't realised they'd backed off on 3 A321's. Disappointing

Even Jet2 have lost the interest they used to have in NCL
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 13:18
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I don't think they've lost interest, more a case of focusing more attention and resources on their newest bases. Was bad enough when they dropped the B752 to B738 (46 seats per sector lost there)

Its a shame NCL has been generally neglected in favour of others. hopefully 2019/2020 will be the year(s) they get their long overdue increase
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 15:06
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Perhaps the people of the North East should show these airlines some love (i.e. get their credit cards out)
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 16:50
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Dissapointing that with the influx of A321s they chose not to replace the leased A320 here opting instead to add a 3rd A321 to Bristol.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 18:07
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I believe it is also the fault of the airlines, in part, for directing resources elsewhere. When it comes to NCL they all seem to jump on the same bucket and spade routes, which really does little good for anyone.

Ryanair appear to be having positive results by going against the grain and offering Warsaw, Gdansk, Wroclaw and Madrid. EasyJet appear to be doing well to Berlin, Jet2's charters do well, but (except Ryanair, of late) they're all very slow to commit long term. i.e I'm sure NCL-VIE could e a success with Jet2. Budapest, Munich, Milan, Venice, Hamburg, Lisbon, Athens with EZY/FR/EW/W6
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 18:18
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Or perhaps it's due to the airports limited catchment area?
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 18:40
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Small catchment area, half of which is in the sea and another third of which is inhabited by sheep.
A relatively 'poor' (by the UK's perverted definition of that word) human population.
It would be very nice indeed to have new routes every week, and we should be grateful when we do get them, but we really should stop whingeing when we don't. Compare NCL's international services to those at Brest or Rostock. We are very lucky indeed.
*edited to add that we have virtually no inbound tourism either, despite the Newcastlegateshead Initiative's self-justifying claims to the contrary*
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 18:49
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Dead right

Look at a map and you'll see the problem. A limited and relatively poor market.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 18:50
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Thomas cook website showing a a320 and two a321s from brs as well

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Old 18th Jan 2018, 18:52
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I completely understand that, however, most of the routes that I mention have been served before, quite successfully.

You may argue that a;ll of these destinations can be reached via Amsterdam, Paris, London etc. But surely for our deprived area, we would be served much better with 50-100 flights from EZY/FR rather than 200+ with the legacies

Not to mention that we're still about 1,000,000 pax behind where NCL/MME both were in 2006/7, so demand does still exist!
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 19:02
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Some would argue that an airfield in a 'deprived area' is a mud strip with a twice monthly aid flight on an IL76, but you make a fair point about the routes no longer served. I am surprised that LGW has never found its way back to the departure boards, but again, looking at the bigger picture, we're doing more than OK.


I admire your youthful enthusiasm, EK77. Us old codgers and codgesses might occasionally pull you up with some of our world-weariness, but keep it up
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 21:13
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Originally Posted by EK77WNCL
I believe it is also the fault of the airlines, in part, for directing resources elsewhere. When it comes to NCL they all seem to jump on the same bucket and spade routes, which really does little good for anyone.

Ryanair appear to be having positive results by going against the grain and offering Warsaw, Gdansk, Wroclaw and Madrid. EasyJet appear to be doing well to Berlin, Jet2's charters do well, but (except Ryanair, of late) they're all very slow to commit long term. i.e I'm sure NCL-VIE could e a success with Jet2. Budapest, Munich, Milan, Venice, Hamburg, Lisbon, Athens with EZY/FR/EW/W6
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I completely understand that, however, most of the routes that I mention have been served before, quite successfully.

You may argue that a;ll of these destinations can be reached via Amsterdam, Paris, London etc. But surely for our deprived area, we would be served much better with 50-100 flights from EZY/FR rather than 200+ with the legacies

Not to mention that we're still about 1,000,000 pax behind where NCL/MME both were in 2006/7, so demand does still exist!

NCL is doing rather well when you compare it to similar airports with similar catchment areas. An example would be to compare with Belfast's two airports BFS & BHD.

Hub Links;
NCL: Air France (CDG), bmi Regional (BRU), British Airways (LHR), Emirates (DXB), Eurowings (DUS), KLM (AMS)
BFS: none
BHD: British Airways (LHR), KLM (AMS), Icelandair (KEF)

That gives NCL passengers the choice of x1 OneWorld, x2 SkyTeam, x2 Star Alliance, x1 Unaligned. On the other hand, BFS doesn't have any hub connections, and BHD only have x1 OneWorld, x1 SkyTeam, x1 Unaligned

Long Haul Services;
NCL: Emirates (DXB), TUI (SFB)
BFS: Norwegian (PVD, SWF), Virgin Atlantic (MCO)
BHD: none

NCL have a Middle Eastern connection, whereas BFS have LCC operations to the US East Coast.

European Destinations by Airline;
easyJet: BFS (19), NCL (13)
Jet2: BFS (25), NCL (35)
Ryanair: BFS (13), NCL (12)
Thomas Cook: BFS (8), NCL (24)
TUI: BFS (12), NCL (31)
Wizz Air: BFS (1), NCL (0)

Despite adding 8 destinations for 2018, Jet2 still have a much smaller base at BFS than NCL, and both Thomas Cook & TUI have a huge number of destinations on offer from NCL compared to BFS.

Out of the 8 destinations you mentioned, only Milan is operated from BFS, EMA & LPL, all airports of similar size and catchment as NCL, and only Budapest, Hamburg and Venice are operated from two of the three airports.

Yes, you may think that all of these routes would work, and some of them may do so, but NCL is no further behind other similar airports in their European links, and in some cases is over performing in the number of European routes offered.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 22:13
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Originally Posted by marko1
Thomas cook website showing a a320 and two a321s from brs as well
Which departures at BRS are showing as a A320 ?
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 06:46
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Despite adding 8 destinations for 2018, Jet2 still have a much smaller base at BFS than NCL, and both Thomas Cook & TUI have a huge number of destinations on offer from NCL compared to BFS.
It's not all about the number of destinations, but also the frequency/capacity of them. Using LS as the example, BFS 3x 733, 1x 738, vs NCL 3x 733, 4x738. If they had the same frequency, then on the basis NCL has 75% extra capacity, it should be offering 75% more destinations than BFS (44 if you were wondering). But since it's only 35, it means the frequency is improved, and overall a better offering that works that bit more flexibly with customers plans.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 07:02
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Originally Posted by LiamNCL
Which departures at BRS are showing as a A320 ?
Preveza , Tenerife paphos Zante on sat gerona etc
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You are correct those were A321 last time i looked.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 09:11
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Maybe since MON went the plans have changed slightly and to put the bigger aircraft at Manchester, Gatwick and BHX ETC
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