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Old 11th Jan 2018, 22:42
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EZY/BA to LGW
FR/EZY to STN
W6 to LTN
CJ/BE to LCY

Any of them would be onto a winner in my opinion but... It's not down to my opinion
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 01:28
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easyJet tried and failed LGW for 12 months (2014-2015), and it is unlikely that they'd try again. British Airways have been cutting back their domestic operations from LGW for years (NCL was axed in 2007), instead focusing on leisure routes. Both Jet2 (2007-2008) and Flybe (2008-2014) operated the route, but neither are likely to recommence operations.

STN has also been tried and failed. GoFly/easyJet operated the route 2001-2010, and then Flybe gave it a go 2015-2016. Ryanair would be the only viable candidate, and even they are unlikely to commence operations given their disinterest in their UK domestic network.

Wizzair do not fly any UK domestic routes, and it would be very unlikely for them to begin now, especially to an airport not already served by the airline. easyJet are also unlikely to commence LTN flights, given they've tried and failed flights to both Stansted and Gatwick.

LCY was operated by Eastern Airways for a short while in 2006, but has since been untouched. Cityjet would be an unlikely candidate, given that they only operate one route (LCY-DUB), and are focusing on their leasing and franchising business instead. Flybe are also unlikely to operate the route, given that neither London City nor Newcastle are aircraft bases. The fact that the route would require an early morning departure to London means that a W pattern would also be unfeasible.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 04:42
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East Coast trains were running at a profit when they got kicked out.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 07:09
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Frequency, frequency, frequency. There's no way an occasional flight could compete with a train every thirty minutes.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 09:30
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3 hrs on a train vs 1hr flight time, but when you consider the waiting around, plus still needing to get from the airport, the train wins hands down (hard to say being on an aviation forum)
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 09:36
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Unlike a lot of the rail network, the East Coast Mainline is a very profitable route. The problem is that successive companies have bid too much for the rights to run the line and find they can't make enough money to pay what they have committed to the government.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 13:41
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And remember location, location, location, a lot of the business traffic is not only going to London but the whole M4 corridor which is why so many businesses have offices near Heathrow, Slough, Reading etc. Gatwick does not have the same high density of businesses in the locality coupled with the fact that the long haul carriers do not promote connectivity in the way BA used to at LGW, although Norwegian were trying to but are now moving focus away from short haul. Hence that leaves point to point only so in general terms, lower volumes and weaker yields against LHR so it struggles somewhat.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 13:51
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 14:07
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In 2014, 51% of those on NCL-LHR were connecting passengers although it may be a bit lower now as in those days there were 100,000 a year on the LGW route as well.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/245411/trivia-british-airways-domestic-transfer-traffic/
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 14:26
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Id heard that BA wanted to use some of the MON LGW slots to potentially expand domestic flights from Gatwick. Its probably our best and only chance for another shot at Gatwick flights.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 15:30
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Where did you here that from?

I personally find that very unlikely and hard to believe, if BA were to have used any of the former Monarch slots to expand domestic operations from LGW I could have seen Manchester resumed but even that scenario I don't see happening.

One domestic route that I could see returning if BA were to resume service from LGW to BHD.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 16:18
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November stats

Originally Posted by GrahamK
Less Dublin, no Gdansk?
... and CPH

AMSTERDAM 28,611 28,140 1.67
ALICANTE 23,815 22,545 5.63
TENERIFE 21,436 20,074 6.78
DUBLIN 19,937 22,297 -10.58
DUBAI 18,922 17,346 9.09

MALAGA 14,697 13,437 9.38
ARRECIFE 12,923 9,984 29.44
PARIS 11,537 11,627 -0.77
BARCELONA 4,865 6,197 -21.49
FUERTEVENTURA 4,667 4,067 14.75
FARO 4,280 4,568 -6.30
PAPHOS 4,180 3,935 6.23
LAS PALMAS 4,140 5,671 -27.00
BERLIN 3,635 2,677 35.79
WROCLAW 2,726 2,112 29.07
MADRID 2,614 0 0.00
DUSSELDORF 2,548 3,248 -21.55
KRAKOW 2,496 2,368 5.41
WARSAW 2,447 2,262 8.18

MALTA 2,385 2,288 4.24
BRUSSELS 2,331 1,727 34.97
PRAGUE 2,134 2,236 -4.56
GENEVA 1,729 1,835 -5.78
HURGHADA 1,584 0 0.00
FUNCHAL 1,148 492 133.33
NEW YORK (NEWARK) 1,102 887 24.24
PALMA DE MALLORCA 973 188 417.55
CORK 853 1,117 -23.63
STAVANGER 833 582 43.13
BRIDGETOWN 592 1,150 -48.52
LARNACA 492 0 0.00
VIENNA 361 292 23.63
CANCUN 299 0 0.00
STOCKHOLM (BROMMA) 30 0 0.00
HAMBURG 0 169 -100.00
GDANSK 0 2,074 -100.00
COPENHAGEN 0 2,103 -100.00


HEATHROW 42,792 42,456 0.79
BELFAST 21,316 20,950 1.75
BRISTOL 14,863 14,604 1.77
SOUTHAMPTON 10,181 9,751 4.4
EXETER 3,228 2,884 11.93
CARDIFF WALES 1,350 1,301 3.77
ABERDEEN 1,002 1,027 -2.43
BELFAST CITY 580 0 0.00
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 17:05
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Originally posted by EK77WNCL: CJ/BE to LCY

Originally posted by A320.744: Cityjet would be an unlikely candidate, given that they only operate one route (LCY-DUB),

'CJ' are BA City Flyer, A320
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 18:54
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Ryanair Gdansk/Faro is seasonal at the moment due to the recent failures within the airline. I'm hoping these 2 are continued for winter after Summer 18 - at least for the GDN.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 18:15
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WINDSOR LOCKS -- Low-cost carrier Norwegian Air will stop its weekly flights between Bradley International Airport and Edinburgh, Scotland, citing delays in a Scottish tax break the airline expected.
Hopefully NIA have picked this up as evidence of the potentially distorting effect of graduated APD within the UK
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 18:43
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I doubt it makes any difference tbh
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 18:52
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I doubt it's the reason the service has been dropped, but never let the facts get in the way of a good argument...
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 18:54
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The guys up at NCL are vehemently against devolved APD to Scotland, and rightly so. It would be a huge blow. and not just because of the families opting to take the drive to EDI to keep a wad in their back pockets, but when airlines like EZY inevitably give up the ghost on NCL because it's more profitable to move their 3 A/C up the A1.

EDI and GLA will be rolling in it. MAN probably won't be that bothered because they have critical mass. It'll be us that lose out the most. LBA and MME might feel it... Although MME might be small/business oriented enough to just about get away with it. Devolution will probably scupper Stobart's ambitions at CAX though.

R.e. the London routes, things are different now. EZY offers connections at LGW, FR would offer bargain fares to STN to get the ball rolling, as well as connections when they get round to rolling them out.

My argument for LCY is that 20/30 minute check in could feasibly be offered at both ends. So if we presume there are big wigs living in Jesmond, they could leave home at 06:15 for a 07:00 flight to LCY, arrive shortly before 8am, and be sitting in their office in the City well before 9am, having had time to stop for a Starbucks and a quick skim of the Financial Times. Meanwhile their colleagues are still stewing on the Underground, having stood for 3 hours in the draughty vestibule of the Monday morning peak train to Kings Cross...

Doesn't sound too bad to me plus I like planes.

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Old 16th Jan 2018, 23:28
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Pax figure for 2017 seems to be (from the info I can find) 5,379,751. Did alright this year!
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Sounds like a heavily niche market..
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