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Old 13th Jun 2018, 10:03
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On another forum a tweet has been copied stating that Ryanair will be making an announcement today about commencing services from SEN.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 10:13
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Ryanair announces it will be flying from Southend | Echo
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 10:16
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13 routes from Ryanair from SEN 55 weekly flights from summer 2019

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Old 13th Jun 2018, 10:20
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13 new routes: Alicante (5 wkly), Barcelona Reus (2 wkly), Bilbao (4 wkly), Brest (2 wkly), Corfu (2 wkly), Cluj (3 wkly), Dublin (2 daily), Faro (5 wkly), Kosice (3 wkly),

Malaga (5 wkly), Milan Bergamo (4 wkly), Palma (4 wkly) & Venice (4 wkly)

I wonder if we'll see Flybe (Stobart) change some routes now these have been announced. 3 based aircraft is good for SEN though.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 10:22
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13 new routes: Alicante (5 weekly), Barcelona Reus (2 weekly), Bilbao (4 weekly), Brest (2 weekly), Corfu (2 weekly), Cluj (3 weekly), Dublin (2 daily), Faro (5 weekly), Kosice (3 weekly), Malaga (5 weekly), Milan Bergamo (4 weekly), Palma (4 weekly) & Venice (4 weekly).
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Alicante, Barcelona Reus, Bilbao, Brest, Corfu, Cluj, Dublin, Faro, Kosice, Malaga, Milan Bergamo, Palma and Venice.

I wonder if SEN might be an early user of the MAX? The runway performance should be improved over the standard 738s FR have.

I wonder what what this means for easyJet and Stobar Air at SEN, hopefully they will still continue to see opportunity.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 10:43
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Great news for SEN but Ryanair don't often make great partners.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 11:02
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If FR are going to operate 738's from SEN that could be a real game changer for the airport.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 11:17
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Now they must bring in Hornby to operate a proper railway with early arrivals and late departures. The disgrace of a line that the airport has been putting up with since easyJet arrived must have cost the airline and the airport untold passengers. The airport would be further ahead than it is now had it not been for Network Fail. In fact, I believe I said something a few years ago that there were those on the railway that wanted the airport station to fail (and thus the airport) as they were hot under the collar that anybody was permitted to run a private station on the network.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 11:41
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Well it’s shorter than BHD so I would guess they will be restricted payload wise for the med and the max 200 is no better with an extra 11 seats.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 11:59
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It will be interesting to see what easyJet do. Quite a few duplication of routes. Did I hear correctly some time ago Ryanair were not going to expand in the UK due to Brexit, I must have misheard it!
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They're hardly likely to sign up for five years unless they're confident they can make a go of it. Didn't someone say a while ago that they were looking at the airbus? Perhaps we won't see their 738s. Very interesting to see how it develops over the coming months.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 12:38
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They could use there resently aquired SFP 737/800 I think they could operate from SEN without any problem?
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 12:58
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
It will be interesting to see what easyJet do. Quite a few duplication of routes. Did I hear correctly some time ago Ryanair were not going to expand in the UK due to Brexit, I must have misheard it!
If Luton is anything to go by when Ryanair compete on a route Easyjet pulls it. Southend might be the winner today but they risk losing easyjet.

I was also thinking the same about Ryanair and their Brexit threat. Just shows that Ryanair is all huff and puff and full of bull.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 12:59
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The Short Field Package would be essential for 738 operations into SEN. The SFP is optional on the -800 but apparently standard on the Max. Wetlanding, do you have any further information about FR acquisition of 800SFPs, how many, and when ?
My (very) approximate estimate (trying to work with published data) is that the 800SFP would offer similar full payload range possibilities out of SEN to an A320.
Landing performance has always been the problem with the -800 at SEN. The SFP appears to address this issue, though the treatment of wet runway data might still be a consideration - hence perhaps recent comments about grooving the SEN runway ?

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I was also thinking the same about Ryanair and their Brexit threat. Just shows that Ryanair is all huff and puff and full of bull.
The Stobart statement says
This five-year agreement, extendable to ten, and agreed on our standard commercial terms...
So, depends on the nature of the contract and who's taking the risk.

The Stobart statement also says:
As a result, Ryanair will operate three planes out of Stobart Group's London Southend Airport from Summer 2019, providing 13 routes to eight European countries, and will include six new destinations.
Can somebody summarise where the crossover with the current Easy and Stobart routes is?
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 13:29
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Duplicated routes

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Can somebody summarise where the crossover with the current Easy and Stobart routes is?
Duplicate routes are Alicante, Barcelona, Dublin, Faro, Malaga and Mallorca. Some might say that the FR flight to Brest competes with the existing flight to Rennes. 50% of the new flights are competing head to head with existing flights run by EZY (not a scientific fact - just my quick calculations). Price war looming or EZY decamping? Whilst I hope FR are paying the going rate to be at SEN (i.e. where the airport makes money direct from the airline for landing and handling) and not just from the additional pax footfall, if they replace 1m EZY pax with 1m FR pax, how are they going to grow pax numbers?
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 13:40
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Ref RYR

unbelievable -the same people who were saying SEN was doing nothing to attract new airlines are now moaning about the RYR announcement!
yes there will be competition on some routes but don’t underestimate the power of the RYR brand overseas to generate pax
its great news for the airport and whilst RYR will have a great commercial agreement it will still generate revenue and get the concept of SEN as a viable departure- arrival point out there
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 13:41
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I think the overlap is as follows:
  • Alicante 5x weekly (Easyjet daily)
  • Bergamo 4x weekly (Flybe 4x weekly to Milan-Malpensa)
  • Bilbao 4x weekly
  • Brest 2x weekly (Flybe 8x weekly to Rennes, but the distance RNS-BES is 240 km)
  • Cluj-Napoca 3x weekly
  • Dublin 2x daily (Flybe 3x daily)
  • Faro 5x weekly (Easyjet 10x weekly)
  • Kosice 3x weekly
  • Malaga 5x weekly (Easyjet 1x daily)
  • Palma de Mallorca 4x weekly (Easyjet 1x daily)
  • Venice 4x weekly
  • Corfu 2x weekly
  • Reus 2x weekly (Easyjet 4x weekly to Barcelona El Prat)

Competition for Easyjet on 5 routes, but on all of them Easyjet still has a majority of flights. And these are just five out of the 20 Easyjet routes at Southend, so I think there is not immediately much trouble for them.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 13:47
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Interesting decision by the Stobart team again!
How many times have you heard “ I’m Not flying Ryanair again!”.Your 1m footfall might even drop by several thousand as people move with Easyjet if they decide to leave!!
Pax reduction on Stobart flights ( loss of income )
An airport deal by Ryanair (There will be something free in it: Landing Fees,Handling, Over night parking!.)
Winner? Or Loser?i
I know where my money lays.
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