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Old 14th Jun 2018, 19:42
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Fairness doesn't come into it, but legality does. Once this is resolved then perhaps Stobart will be perceived by the market and shareholders as less than a cowboy outfit and more a serious multi million pound business.
Andrew Tinkler grew the business from nothing, saw the potential at Southend and bet the farm on it. The current directors took zero risk and enjoyed their pay-day and now turn on their benfactor. I've seen it all too many times previously and yes, it is legal, and yes, it has the backing of some shareholders. But do the current directors really believe they have what it takes to stand up to Ryanair and O'Leary once they start making their demands? Take alook at Prestwick to see what FR can do to an airport! Tinkler has his role and they are foolish to oust him and this stage of the company's growth.
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 19:49
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If you are a Director of a company you are legally obliged to look after the shareholders and listen to them

if you want total power don't have shareholders -simple

far too many cases of directors/founders running amok with other people's money
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 20:17
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Just a question about FR Ops, will SEN be the shortest runway FR operate from when they launch? Can they operate a full payload of 189 pax in the summer with the 737?
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 21:10
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"Campaigner calls for airport to close" the guys deluded....
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 21:26
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Originally Posted by asdf1234 View Post
Andrew Tinkler grew the business from nothing......
And that is the problem. Andrew did everything right and built a hugely successful business, then he floated it off and it was no longer his business, something he never accepted. He's clashed with shareholders, board members, brokers, bankers and advisors repeatedly over the years. He's stamped his feet and thrown his toys out many times but this time it's backfired on him.

His dismissal and the FR news may well be a turning point in SEN's fortunes.... I hope so.
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 21:50
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Rather like Stelios and Easyjet.
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 07:52
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking View Post


Fairness doesn't come into it, but legality does. Once this is resolved then perhaps Stobart will be perceived by the market and shareholders as less than a cowboy outfit and more a serious multi million pound business.


Quite surprised to read your view given your stated admiration of a "Go for it and good luck" approach to business. Andrew Tinkler would share your approach, he is a self made man and very much an entrepreneur.

I don't know the rights and wrongs of the current situation at Stobart, but those who know how to conduct a board meeting and fill in tax forms are not in short supply. Neither, sadly, are the likes of Warwick Brady who speak so well of themselves and oh so naturally take full credit for the risks taken by others.

Without a fool / genius / idiot / visionary like Andrew Tinkler Southend Airport would by now be a housing estate, possibly with homage paid with street names like Laker Lane and Dakota Drive.

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Old 15th Jun 2018, 07:59
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Originally Posted by _aax1 View Post
Just a question about FR Ops, will SEN be the shortest runway FR operate from when they launch? Can they operate a full payload of 189 pax in the summer with the 737?
Yes. They will only operate the Maxis from SEN and subject to grooving the runway surface.
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 08:31
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Yes. They will only operate the Maxis from SEN and subject to grooving the runway surface.
Is that the official word?

Thought the following may be a consideration factor:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-laudamotion-m-a-ryanair-airbus-analys/boeing-loyalist-ryanair-to-
fly-first-airbus-with-austria-deal-idUSKBN1GY2KF


But Chief Executive Michael O’Leary is starting small with Airbus, although he said he had harbored aspirations to develop an Airbus fleet at Ryanair for “some years”.
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 08:34
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Originally Posted by mik3bravo View Post
Is that the official word?

Thought the following may be a consideration factor:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-l...-idUSKBN1GY2KF
Are there any indications from Ryanair that the Laudamotion Airbus will by used on anything other than Laaudamotion operations?

And aren't Ryanair's MAX's the 200 seat version?

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Old 15th Jun 2018, 09:37
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With all this talk of runway grooving, presumably to minimise the occasions that the runway surface is reported "wet" or worse, thereby avoiding the weight penalties with a restricted LDA/TORA, has it been established whether the runway is cambered? If not, and it either has a crosfall or is flat, grooving is not going to be as effective as intended. When SOU had their runway resurfaced they too went for the grooving option for the same reasons, problem was/is that they have a crosfall with a drainage gully on one side. This form of drainage has not been able to cope and water backs up in the grooves resulting invariably in the runway being reported "wet".
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 10:07
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Morning All,

wetlanding is right, Ryanair has recently accepted 738 examples with SFP. I must check the register to see if there is any reference to them.

let's not forget they have a 737-700 on hand, and if they have to in an extreme they can call on Lauda to assist. They'll have flexibility with crew so if Lauda ever step in they'll not need to worry about moving crew around. All that may assume they are late receiving MAX, but I wouldn't have thought SEN be a priority for MAX. Who knows. We also know that Lauda has limited available units and Ryanair are doing some flying for them already (eg DUS AGP). Though they could asap ac around I.e. 3 x320 to SEN and FR put 3 x 738 @ DUS TXL etc

This is magic news for SEN, I have never doubted SEN would grow stringly, because London Airports are full, it was only a matter if time, Ryanair has of late been exclusively reliant on STN, and it is arguable as the biggest base they have limited bargaining power.

easyJet will hold firm. In my opinion, easyJet have been in the last year to 18 months , much more resilient in the face of Ryanair. FR cut an run in LGW BFS and surrendered the IAG slots. STN to GLA and EDU were not reinstated. Easyjet is strong and MOL recognises this and says as much. SEN is growing and besides FR have limited frequency.

stobart own both airport and airline, they'll have factored in DUB and MXP, a growing SEN is preferable to maintaining these routes, planes can be moved around, the airport can't... as for the deal, they'll have made a very significant contribution and this will be structured in the form of low or no landing fees on the new routes, and the same rate as easyJet on the overlapping routes.

the prize Ryanair will bring (and this will be tested on the non sun belt routes) is whether they can grow the brand of SEN abroad , particularly on Dublin, Cluj, Kosice, Milan and Venice. The other big prize is the parking and retail outlets. Net net a big plus. Also from a Ryanair perspective sends a small signal to STN... airlines like Blueair and Wizz get a message very clearly that Ryanair are in town on routes where they would ideally frequent, so stay away. Corfu is a really clever route choice, being a top UK holiday destination, and one that SEN enjoyed in times long gone!
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 10:29
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FR did reinstate EDI and I think Glasgow from STN.
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 11:02
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Flew from SEN for the first time since the terminal expansion. A FR base certainly requires a good amount of additional terminal space. Although I departed at a relatively quiet period of the day, I assume the place is already pretty crowded in the morning nowadays when the overnighting aircraft depart. So for three 200 seat aircraft and potential to grow serious expansion is certainly on the cards - what is the talk at the moment? Something like 50 percent additional space in departures or even more?

I wish SEN the best of luck. For departing from London, I avoid the larger London airports like the plague and usually travel via LCY. SEN is a similarily enjoyable experience and I hope it will be able to keep much of its small airport feel and advantages.
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 11:57
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
Flew from SEN for the first time since the terminal expansion. A FR base certainly requires a good amount of additional terminal space. Although I departed at a relatively quiet period of the day, I assume the place is already pretty crowded in the morning nowadays when the overnighting aircraft depart. So for three 200 seat aircraft and potential to grow serious expansion is certainly on the cards - what is the talk at the moment? Something like 50 percent additional space in departures or even more?

I wish SEN the best of luck. For departing from London, I avoid the larger London airports like the plague and usually travel via LCY. SEN is a similarily enjoyable experience and I hope it will be able to keep much of its small airport feel and advantages.
Yes indeed. Hopefully the schedules, when released, will show the early departures to be staggered between the quieter hours from 0730-0900. Are there any plans to build a multi-storey car park on the airport? I doubt if the existing will be large enough.
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 13:04
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The schedules for FR are out as their Southend flights are bookable on the FR app. Seat plan is as per standard 737-800 when I had a look.
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 14:01
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I actually don’t find the morning peak to be bad at all. It was much more crowded before the extension on the occasions all three EZY were in at the same time, and there was just the cafe and smallish upstairs bar. The latter has been moved and extended, the former is still there for now but does admittedly get long queues, plus there’s the additional Bourgee. There always seem to be seats available. It is a far cry from the peak experience at STN/LTN.

I also find that they board the first couple of EZY plus BE to DUB early so by about 06:25 the place quietens considerably. Then MAN boards (admittedly that’s just 25-30 people), after that all you’re left with is the EZY to AMS and the later BE which leaves circa 07:30.

I’d say they could cope with another departure around 06:30 and anything after 07:00 would be no trouble at all. It might be tight if two or more FRs left before 07:00 assuming the current EZY schedule remained the same.
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 14:32
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt View Post
Yes indeed. Hopefully the schedules, when released, will show the early departures to be staggered between the quieter hours from 0730-0900. Are there any plans to build a multi-storey car park on the airport? I doubt if the existing will be large enough.
They acquired what is known locally as "The old access car park" a few years ago which sits just the other side of Warners Bridge from the airport, however I believe they can only use it as a park and ride! It still needs a fair bit of work to bring it back up to scratch.
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 18:29
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Let me start by saying I’m very pleased Southend have gained a big airline, I truly am so don’t shoot me.

I'm dubious as to why Ryanair have chosen a base at Southend ( I said don’t shoot me ) !
knowing Ryanair, and trust me I do, I was working closely with them when they first started flying to to there first European destinations other than Ireland, I’m wondering if it’s to play off Stansted against Southend, pulling routes and aircraft from one to the other if a spat arises, just like Luton and Stansted have seen in the past, also the whole Airbus/Boeing thing has been around for years, just reiterating what I just said about playing one off against the other for a better deal. We also should not forget how Ryanair jumped on I think it was Copenhagen at Luton pushing Easyjet off the route or at least reducing it and the moving it to Stansted.

I might be totally barking up the wrong tree, but its one to keep an eye on, that’s all I’m saying.
And just again I’m not hating on Southend just trying to think logically.
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 19:22
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Maybe they are unable to acquire extra departure slots at Stansted during peak first wave.
On the runway grooving, the present surface is BBA which is designed to be ungrooved, so to groove it would mean another resurface with different mix which given the cost
s very unlikely.
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