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That may be true of runway capacity, but the continuing facilities beyond that can be notably more tedious. Stansted is known for making difficulty with coaches that have not gone through a long approval process. One of the upsides of Southend was diverted passengers normally came straight out, and local coach operators were well alive to quick turnouts. Arriving at Stansted on a remote stand and then being plonked on the back of a 30 minute queue for immigration behind all the Ryanair arrivals is not LCY's market.
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Needs must when the devil (weather) drives...Would also (not) explain diversionary requests whether approved or refused then at STN.
Looking beyond nifty local coaches STN is by far the better alternate in bad w/x for the flight deck of course.
Looking beyond nifty local coaches STN is by far the better alternate in bad w/x for the flight deck of course.
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Catchment area by the hour from the horses mouth. Page 9
https://www.rochford.gov.uk/sites/de...j007b_avia.pdf
https://www.rochford.gov.uk/sites/de...j007b_avia.pdf
I don't blame him for attempting to polish the turd but it is time to be realistic or face the prospect of losing it all. With no positive operational cash flow since 2014 the strategy needs to change. That starts with recognising the fact that Southend is definitely a regional airport with a catchment area to match, and future business planning needs to be tailored accordingly.
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With a direct rail connection to London they would consider themselves to be a London Airport but then Birmingham Airport also has a direct rail link to London. The secret is putting London in front of the name just as Lydd Airport did.
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Compare and contrast the identified catchment area in the planning document to the assertion made by Warwick Brady at Friday's Investor Presentation that, "Southend Airport is a London Airport with a catchment of 8 million...."
I don't blame him for attempting to polish the turd but it is time to be realistic or face the prospect of losing it all. With no positive operational cash flow since 2014 the strategy needs to change. That starts with recognising the fact that Southend is definitely a regional airport with a catchment area to match, and future business planning needs to be tailored accordingly.
I don't blame him for attempting to polish the turd but it is time to be realistic or face the prospect of losing it all. With no positive operational cash flow since 2014 the strategy needs to change. That starts with recognising the fact that Southend is definitely a regional airport with a catchment area to match, and future business planning needs to be tailored accordingly.
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Probably better than talking about Southend’s 2 departures today at 16:20 and 19:55 that are both going to Bucharest ensuring neither airline makes a profit. Ryanair targeting Wizz?
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I thought I read there was actually only one Amazon night flight? The claim is that the airport would not survive without it.
https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/187...airport-going/
Quote from KEVIN Buck is shadow councillor in charge of transport.
But this report says not only will the airport survive but that Amazon flights could be expanded.
https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/187...ovid-recovery/
https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/187...airport-going/
Quote from KEVIN Buck is shadow councillor in charge of transport.
Although this may be annoying for many, it’s also keeping the airport going and the staff still employed, working. Stop the night flights and there will be a bigger cull of staff. Having lost Easyjet I don’t think the airport will survive if these flights are stopped.
https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/187...ovid-recovery/
The trading update also revealed the airport’s deal with Amazon to provide night-time cargo flights could be expanded.
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I think they are trying to keep the number of ASL flights that take place during the night restriction hours to a minimum - just one at present - while the other three flights take place during the unrestricted hours. As they are restricted to 120 night movements per month, removing a couple of ASL movements from this has simply resulted in more night bizjet movements so in fact they are making more money than previously when the ASL movements took up virtually all the 120 night slots. There is talk of another ASL destination being added but talk is all it is at present.
While I'm here I do find some of the recent posts rather pointless with all their speculation of what might or might not happen to SEN in the future, although no disrespect to those posters who want to discuss those things now if they want to. There is no certainly whatever as to what will happen to the whole industry within the next few years so trying to determine now whether or not SEN can attract returning LON passenger traffic demand seems rather premature. My opinion in general is that SEN will find it very difficult to attract new airlines simply because nearly all the other LON airports will now have some capacity to fill for the next three or four years at least. SEN will be desperate to retain RYR and maybe look to them to fill the EZY gap has left if and when (let's hope) demand picks up.
I think they are trying to keep the number of ASL flights that take place during the night restriction hours to a minimum - just one at present - while the other three flights take place during the unrestricted hours. As they are restricted to 120 night movements per month, removing a couple of ASL movements from this has simply resulted in more night bizjet movements so in fact they are making more money than previously when the ASL movements took up virtually all the 120 night slots. There is talk of another ASL destination being added but talk is all it is at present.
While I'm here I do find some of the recent posts rather pointless with all their speculation of what might or might not happen to SEN in the future, although no disrespect to those posters who want to discuss those things now if they want to. There is no certainly whatever as to what will happen to the whole industry within the next few years so trying to determine now whether or not SEN can attract returning LON passenger traffic demand seems rather premature. My opinion in general is that SEN will find it very difficult to attract new airlines simply because nearly all the other LON airports will now have some capacity to fill for the next three or four years at least. SEN will be desperate to retain RYR and maybe look to them to fill the EZY gap has left if and when (let's hope) demand picks up.
I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear, although I thought I had, that I have no problem if others want to speculate on such things at this time but I don't and certainly have no wish to stifle anyone's posts.
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I have to say I always read wise words from the keyboard of Expressflight . Says it how it is without the BS speculation. I am interested in his comments about business jets at Southend. Luton has gone back to 24/7 for business jets. In fact were restrictions ever reimposed this summer so has that had an impact on Southend? How many business jets does Southend now handle on an average 24 hour period?
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SEN require Amazon/ASL to be operating in accordance with the original agreement it could be speculated otherwise the default/reset "daytime" operation removes the only advantage SEN had & Amazon wanted...ie night time slots.
The daily positioning/juggling of Titan B73`s between STN & SEN is also costing someone a "pretty penny".
The daily positioning/juggling of Titan B73`s between STN & SEN is also costing someone a "pretty penny".
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Noted previously as virtually a daily occurrence during the Summer...the numbers certainly add up over the course & IT IS costing someone a pretty penny.
Reflections then on the "night time" slot problem & does it remove any original SEN advantage?
Reflections then on the "night time" slot problem & does it remove any original SEN advantage?
Regarding Titan I'm certainly not aware of this shuttling to and fro between SEN and STN during the Summer, but if it did happen it would normally be at Titan's cost as the subcontractor to ASL, if it was Titan's choice to do so. Maybe though it was due to unserviceability of the ASL 737s which I know was a problem in the Summer and perhaps they needed some additional ad hoc capacity. In which case whether it's SEN or another of their bases involved it has no relevance to ASL's cost basis for using that airport.
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Are you sure you're not seeing Titan 737s operating the cargo flights from SEN under the ASL contract? I just puzzled how you would seem them positioning between STN and SEN when you live in East London.