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Old 16th Dec 2019, 09:09
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I guess there is a wider point across all airports that arbitrary summer/winter schedule dates miss this kind of stuff and sometimes defy logic. I’ve noticed in the past for example that Med destinations have ceased before the end of Half Term, but that’s something EZY/FR have got much smarter at in recent years.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 12:47
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post


Someone should tell Stobart to get this started a day early...Sunderland are away at Roots Hall! The route would get off to a winning start, unlike the Shrimpers
the flight back would be very quite as we slip,to minus 100 goal difference
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 13:02
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the flight back would be very quite as we slip,to minus 100 goal difference
Or even quiet!
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 14:04
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No very lively, it’s Sunderland that are travelling. Bumper bar sales too
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 08:35
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Sibiu

Two flights today to Sibiu. Start of the Christmas rush? Must be doing ok. Is it still thought that flights will return to Luton summer 2020?
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 08:54
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Both Sibiu flights today were sold out and there will be two flights next Sunday as well.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 09:01
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Both Sibiu flights today were sold out and there will be two flights next Sunday as well.
Thank you Expressflight. If they are doing that well, why on earth are they going back to Luton? Anybody have any idea what's behind this?
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 09:45
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There is huge demand just before Xmas for people all over Europe to get on a plane and see their families in late Dec, when people have moved country to find work

Perhaps a better evaluation of SEN-SBZ might be outside the Xmas peak
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 11:23
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Thank you Expressflight. If they are doing that well, why on earth are they going back to Luton? Anybody have any idea what's behind this?
I think we just have to accept that no matter how full or high yielding Wizz flights are at SEN the airline’s preference is to be at LTN. Flights and routes will inevitably come and go depending on capacity at LTN. This is just a budget version of what has long occurred between LGW/STN and LHR.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 11:29
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Originally Posted by SEN Observer View Post
Thank you Expressflight. If they are doing that well, why on earth are they going back to Luton? Anybody have any idea what's behind this?
The fact that Wizz have acquired 17 slot pairs at LTN from TUI is probably the reason. I suspect they see LTN very much as their 'back yard' and they want to protect that against the competition. However, if (as reported elsewhere) the Wizz operations at SEN have so far exceeded expectations then some modest growth may also be expected there.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 12:13
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Xmas strike

Just been confirmed that the threatened strike at SEN is to take place on the 24th, 25th and 26th December after talks at ACAS failed to find a solution to the Union's issues surrounding staff safety and training.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 16:48
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And in other news:

1. Councillors have raised night time noise issues with airport and told all flights are within existing planning constraints. I wonder when the Council will wake up to the fact that using the Quota Count noise system implemented at LHR, LGW and STN is just not suitable for a short runway airport such as SEN? Most probably never.

2. Ryanair launch twice weekly Girona route for S2020.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 17:02
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Surely the RYR SEN-GRO route was announced weeks ago was it not?

I'm prepared to be persuaded, but why is the Quota Count noise system not suitable for "a short runway airport such as SEN" yet appropriate for LHR, LGW and STN?
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 19:41
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post


I think we just have to accept that no matter how full or high yielding Wizz flights are at SEN the airline’s preference is to be at LTN. Flights and routes will inevitably come and go depending on capacity at LTN. This is just a budget version of what has long occurred between LGW/STN and LHR.

I take the view that Southend is more than welcome to grab Wizz flights from LTN as I and other locals are plagued by noisy Wizz aircraft despite living over a mile away from the side of the runway. Can't imagine what it must be like living around Wells Avenue as it must be hell.

With the UK leaving the EU I would imagine there will be a slow decline in London passenger numbers as some migrants drift home and are not replaced so I would think there will be a retreat to fortress Luton at some point. Also the council will soon vote on a planning application to increase not only noise but passenger figures to 19 million. They can do this repeatedly to 22.5 million as this is the stated capacity within the existing boundary although they did claim once it was 18 million.

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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 00:08
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Story from just before xmas about a Loganair E145 being 'too heavy' to take off from Southend so 5 passengers had to get off.

“When the weather cleared at Derry, a combination of low pressure and rainfall left the runway surface at Southend in a condition which imposed limitations on the aircraft performance. The aircraft was consequently over its maximum available take-off weight for the conditions. "

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9259266.html
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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 06:07
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Makes me think that the Embraer must be a very marginal aircraft for Southend if it cannot fly a domestic route without offloading passengers while for Easyjet and Ryanair it was just another day unless they also had to off load passengers which wasn’t reported.

Found this very interesting article about air density and other weather issues making a difference to runway performance.

https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/...eoff_and_Climb

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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 07:36
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The article suggests it had a lot of baggage as well as a full load of pax so probably any other day of the year and any other conditions this wouldn’t have been a problem.

Its quite a non-story, only becoming a ‘story’ because one of their ‘journalists’ was amongst the pax.
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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 13:19
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More worrying is it cost £200 for a one way flight!!
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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 14:29
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More worrying is it cost £200 for a one way flight!!
Sigh - so how much do you think a one-way ticket at peak time on a long thin, domestic route by regional jet should be??
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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 14:51
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Better to be £200 and make a profit rather than the route only supporting £40 fares and the route gets pulled.
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