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You need to provide more ambiguity instead of writing a statement and not explaining what you mean.
I have taken your statement to imply that I cannot afford to fly an airline other than Ryanair.
I have taken your statement to imply that I cannot afford to fly an airline other than Ryanair.
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Owen. Read slow so you understand. A post was placed to inform that Ryanair are to commence a daily flight from Belfast International to Manchester. You responded "BHD, is not convenient for many though". I pointed out to you that Ryanair do not fly from BHD. Do you get it now.
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Have you ever tried getting to Aldergrove from Belfast for a 6-6.30 pm departure during the week, when it’s been raining and Belfast is gridlocked?
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Poor show EGAC. Rain does not cause gridlock. Most people choose to fly from BFS which is a fact. Try getting to BHD from north or west Belfast in the the rush hours and BFS is easier. Nearly six million passengers agree. BTW, the capacity restriction was lifted more than two years ago at BHD. To bad no uptake.
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Interesting development if true Ryanair BFS-MAN. What might look like shifting deckchairs with moving LGW flights to Stansted and starting low frequency Manchester could quickly evolve into a strategy for Ryanair growing at BFS. STN as a London gateway makes infinitely more sense for FR than LGW, just look at their comparative networks from each. After Stansted, Manchester is their largest GB operation, and logically either Birmingham or East Midlands (same owners as STN, MAN ..?) follows on from that. Beyond those main U.K. points, the whole of Europe is their playground. Just needs common sense to prevail on Govt air tax in N Ireland and everything opens up.
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Flybe must be very worried by this development and if EMA and BHX are next then it will be a real dogfight between Easy, FR and Flybe with only one loser!
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Flybe have a niche at BHD but more affordable fares on routes like Manchester and Birmingham would certainly have a general impact. But these are two of the very biggest routes out of DUB and comparatively BFS could offer more seats on them than currently exists.
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Yes, so that's seven Q400s a day across which to watch the average yield get utterly trashed by Ryanair offering one a day on BFS-MAN which resets the whole market pricing down to a new level. Probably a worse result for them than the 737-800 appearing on EMA or LBA where it can at least generate some new volume. With EZY already on MAN-BFS, the market is unlikely to grow but the yield is highly likely to decline - so very damaging indeed.
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Yes, so that's seven Q400s a day across which to watch the average yield get utterly trashed by Ryanair offering one a day on BFS-MAN which resets the whole market pricing down to a new level. Probably a worse result for them than the 737-800 appearing on EMA or LBA where it can at least generate some new volume. With EZY already on MAN-BFS, the market is unlikely to grow but the yield is highly likely to decline - so very damaging indeed.
Both Flybe and easyJet's schedules cater primarily for the business market;
easyJet operate x2 daily, with 1 morning and 1 evening flight.
Flybe operate x7 daily, with 3 morning, 1 afternoon and 3 evening flights
Based on Ryanair's current BFS-based aircraft schedules, BFS-MAN will be a mid-afternoon service, thus catering primarily for the leisure market. Out of the 9 daily flights between Belfast and Manchester, only 1 Q400 service is operated during this time.
In addition, x1 daily is not a price-setting frequency. Even if all seats were sold at just £9.99, neither Flybe nor easyJet would see any drop in yield. Furthermore, x1 daily is inconvenient for business travellers, as the schedule does not allow same-day returns.
However, if Ryanair were to increase the frequency to x3 daily, then easyJet would be in trouble. Flybe on the other hand would fare batter, given their high frequency service, and their choice of airport. Flybe's yield and passenger numbers remained fairly stable when easyJet commenced BFS-MAN back in 2011, so further diluting BFS-MAN will have little effect on their BHD operations.
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Poor show EGAC. Rain does not cause gridlock. Most people choose to fly from BFS which is a fact. Try getting to BHD from north or west Belfast in the the rush hours and BFS is easier. Nearly six million passengers agree. BTW, the capacity restriction was lifted more than two years ago at BHD. To bad no uptake.
• Operating hours: flights may only be scheduled to operate between 06:30 hours and 21:30 hours. Extensions may be granted in exceptional circumstances to facilitate delayed aircraft up to 23:59 hours.
• Movements cap: GBBCA may only operate 48,000 aircraft movements in any 12 month period.
Seats for sale: airlines may offer no more than 2,000,000 seats for sale on flights from the Airport in any 12 month period.
Direct from City Airports Noise Complaints Page on their website. Are they providing incorrect information? All of the above impact on the passenger number figures because they reduce the appeal of operating there. Only a straight shootout on a level playing field would show a true reflection of demand per location, until then it is all conjecture.
Yes, I have tried getting to BHD from North Belfast in rush hour. My experiences have been much worse getting from East and South Belfast to Aldergrove in comparison.
Rain or any kind of adverse weather doesn’t cause gridlock in Belfast? I think it’s pretty clear to anyone who commutes to Belfast that it does and that causes problems getting to airports because they have shocking public transport links.
Nearly six million passengers don’t agree that BFS is easier to get to. Nearly 6 million passengers agree they can get to fly for cheaper, to more places, more often from Aldergrove so thats where they fly from.
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I’m not seeing how Easyjet would be ‘in trouble’ if Ryanair did MAN 3 times a day. That’s not how LGW played out is it? Easyjet naturally have more interest in LGW than they do in MAN but I can’t see them rolling over either. Once per day, off peak sounds more like an aircraft utilisation project than a serious attempt to muscle in. It will dilute the yield though
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Don't think MAN for FR from Belfast is illogical at all. They'll want into the largest markets (London, North West, midlands) where lower fares can stimulate more traffic, which already exists but is driving to DUB for savings.
As for trying LBA instead of MAN, more seats to MAN on Airbus / Boeing at keener fares will disperse a good part of a large Leeds market away from flybe's Leeds flights over to Manchester. Yes, there are passengers who absolutely only fly to the east of the Pennines for sound reasons, but there are others who could as easily use Manchester v Leeds, and more, affordable choice to Manchester into an airport which has a more predictable weather history than LBA, not flying on a flybe prop will certainly appeal to those flexible passengers.
As for the argument about seat restrictions at BHD, they never took any heed of that constraint in the past when Ryanair were operating there, so don't see it qualifying as a reason why they are not growing now.
As for trying LBA instead of MAN, more seats to MAN on Airbus / Boeing at keener fares will disperse a good part of a large Leeds market away from flybe's Leeds flights over to Manchester. Yes, there are passengers who absolutely only fly to the east of the Pennines for sound reasons, but there are others who could as easily use Manchester v Leeds, and more, affordable choice to Manchester into an airport which has a more predictable weather history than LBA, not flying on a flybe prop will certainly appeal to those flexible passengers.
As for the argument about seat restrictions at BHD, they never took any heed of that constraint in the past when Ryanair were operating there, so don't see it qualifying as a reason why they are not growing now.