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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 20:51
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Who is talking about freight charters? I am talking about the remaining Wizz passenger flights to the UK.
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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 20:52
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Originally Posted by Spanish eyes
Remember that many passengers will be travelling for Easter to see family which actually makes a complete mockery of government advice not to see family members as it tries to contain the Coronavirus. Walking through arrivals into landside this morning I could see no evidence of social distancing as family members who clearly had not seen each other for a long while greeted each other with kisses and cuddles.
Virtually no one is going to be travelling this Easter weekend since the majority of the usual quasi charter , LCC and tour operators have grounded their fleets for at least another six to eight weeks .

El-Al has effectively closed down as the Israeli authorities has a 2 week quarantine for ALL arriving passengers at Tel-Aviv for the foreseeable future.

Only guest workers from Eastern Europe and Ireland are likely to travel to be honest .
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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 21:07
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Who is talking about freight charters? I am talking about the remaining Wizz passenger flights to the UK.
No Wizz schedules to Poland , Italy, the Baltic states , Spain, Russia, or Portugal . Just Bucharest, Cluj-Napoli , Iasi,Budapest, and Sofia today . Everything else canned for the foreseeable even Romania likely to close next week.

As I said most of the flying fleet are freighting at the moment and they are after all a life line for Hungary effectively the national carrier !
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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 21:15
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Originally Posted by Spanish eyes
Remember that many passengers will be travelling for Easter to see family
Using Bucharest as an example (you can use other cities as well, but LON-OTP has most pax so least prone to things like one-offs causing a spike in demand)...
Fares on Luton-Bucharest do indeed seem to be significantly higher than Bucharest-Luton in the days up to and including Orthodox Easter on 19 April, although fares diminish a bit between Western Easter (12 April) and Orthodox Easter
Fares for Bucharest-Luton do not seem to show any kind of peak at all in the 2nd half of April which seems a little odd for people who are seeing family just for Easter.

I can think of a number of reasons for this
1 - People are returning to the UK over a prolonged period after Easter - e.g. some people planning to spend 2 weeks with their families so the demand for returning is spread over an extended period of time (possible but doubt this would cover everyone)
2 - Wizz's fare system doesn't show peaks that are 3 weeks away (possible at 2 months in advance, very dubious just 3 weeks in advance)
3 - Many people have seen shops, cafes, bars, restaurants, hotels all shutting down and are not planning to come back to the UK until the economy revives and paid work is available again
4 - People have decided that it's best to get back to their families while they still can before flights are completely shut down
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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 21:27
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Using Bucharest as an example (you can use other cities as well, but LON-OTP has most pax so least prone to things like one-offs causing a spike in demand)...
Fares on Luton-Bucharest do indeed seem to be significantly higher than Bucharest-Luton in the days up to and including Orthodox Easter on 19 April, although fares diminish a bit between Western Easter (12 April) and Orthodox Easter
Fares for Bucharest-Luton do not seem to show any kind of peak at all in the 2nd half of April which seems a little odd for people who are seeing family just for Easter.

I can think of a number of reasons for this
1 - People are returning to the UK over a prolonged period after Easter - e.g. some people planning to spend 2 weeks with their families so the demand for returning is spread over an extended period of time (possible but doubt this would cover everyone)
2 - Wizz's fare system doesn't show peaks that are 3 weeks away (possible at 2 months in advance, very dubious just 3 weeks in advance)
3 - Many people have seen shops, cafes, bars, restaurants, hotels all shutting down and are not planning to come back to the UK until the economy revives and paid work is available again
4 - People have decided that it's best to get back to their families while they still can before flights are completely shut down
And perhaps LTNman might like to know Wizz have already grounded more than eighty of their 110 or so aircraft . He is a little misinformed on just what Wizz are actually operating right now !

Still LTNman usually has an agenda !
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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 21:34
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Doubt it as it doesn't appear on the arrival or departure boards.
Thatís because itís usually operating for the Home office and reason for normally going to Stansted; Certainly taking peopís back to Tirana however most wonít be making the journey voluntarily thatís for sure .
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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 21:44
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Say goodbye to eastern European black economy workers who are laid off, and have no social welfare to wait around for. There is no peak after Easter as they ain't coming back.

A lot of crops will rot this year.
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Old 4th Apr 2020, 05:32
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Many passengers would have booked their flights months ago to secure the cheapest tickets to spend time with friends and family. If they didn’t travel they would be out of pocket which is a powerful reason to travel if they can only afford to travel once a year. There might still be a perception that most passengers are young but the passenger mix I am seeing covers all age groups right up to the elderly.

While these passengers are helping to keep me in a job I would doubt that a good proportion of Luton’s passengers would be classed as essential travellers when we are all being told to stay at home. The government’s message though only covers domestic travel so no one is doing anything wrong apart from driving to and from the airport.

There is definitely more people leaving than arriving at the moment so a lot of repatriation is still taking place. My local car wash has now shut down so I doubt the casual workers there will be getting 80% of their wages paid by the government.

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Old 4th Apr 2020, 09:11
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
And perhaps LTNman might like to know Wizz have already grounded more than eighty of their 110 or so aircraft . He is a little misinformed on just what Wizz are actually operating right now !

Still LTNman usually has an agenda !
Did you actually read what I wrote? Not sure why you have decided to bring up the rest of the Wizz network when I didn’t mentioned it. I said that the individual flights operating out of a Luton should still be making a profit as they are full or near full. Would you say that statement is inaccurate?
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Old 4th Apr 2020, 11:11
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Did you actually read what I wrote? Not sure why you have decided to bring up the rest of the Wizz network when I didnít mentioned it. I said that the individual flights operating out of a Luton should still be making a profit as they are full or near full. Would you say that statement is inaccurate?
Almost certainly yes - Bums on seats and complex algorithms whilst 80% of your fleet is grounded and a further 10% operating humanitarian flights for the Polish and Hungarian authorities and with Romania expected to close by end next week Wizz are loosing a shed load right now .

Romanians are flocking home for sure either they have been furloughed or more seriously lost their casual employment possibly and permanently.They have little money in reserve have no access to the safety net ( contrary to popular DM myth ) families at home worried so what would you do ?

Think your methodology through a bit more !






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Old 4th Apr 2020, 16:09
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Lionel Messi G5 was in the news for diverting to Paris in the week but turned up at Luton yesterday on a first visit. Not that he is moving from Barcelona FC to LTFC but maybe work at Gulfstream?
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Old 5th Apr 2020, 16:54
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Luton is showing the first 4 departures for tomorrow. 3 of them are cancelled.

Bucharest showing no flights until 19th April
Budapest showing all flight from Thursday onwards priced at £16.99

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Old 5th Apr 2020, 18:15
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Widely reported that Romania is shutting up shop as well at midnight.
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Old 5th Apr 2020, 23:10
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Grrr

Well, with millions being unemployed legitimately in the U.K, the only reason crops will rot is continued rain.

Youíd rather black market labour then? Sad, very sad.
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Old 6th Apr 2020, 05:15
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Extraordinary and dark times for both the airport, country and the world. With just 5 departures today and for at least the next 2 weeks the airport must be down to daily passenger figures not seen since the early 60’s.

For the airport authorities they must have preferred that Wizz had suspended all operations so they could close the terminal down.

I have noticed that cement deliveries for the DART stopped a couple of weeks ago and that the workforce is lighter now.

It has been mentioned that National Express has suspended all services from the airport but no one has mentioned the taxi drivers who are all self employed. With the taxi rank also empty it won’t be long before we start to see the tumbleweed as the airport is starting to get that abandoned feeling for much of the day where the few remaining staff outnumber the passengers.

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Old 6th Apr 2020, 07:08
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear
Well, with millions being unemployed legitimately in the U.K, the only reason crops will rot is continued rain.

Youíd rather black market labour then? Sad, very sad.
Difference between being unemployed and seeking work and being unemployed and unable to work due to circumstances such as illness, disability or caring responsibilities. U.K. has effectively been at full employment for quite some time.
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Old 6th Apr 2020, 08:02
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Every year the airport brings out a press release about expected passenger numbers for Easter. I think this year they will be saying nothing.

This from last year

https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/artic...-easter-travel

As for crops being left in the ground there will be many English and migrants who have stayed that will be without work when this is all over. Even if the English won’t do it the remaining migrants who have a reputation for grafting will save the day.
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Old 6th Apr 2020, 08:11
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As for crops being left in the ground there will be many English and migrants who have stayed that will be without work when this is all over. Even if the English won’t do it the remaining migrants who have a reputation for grafting will save the day.
Without going off topic, they've got to be in the right place, with the right skills...
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Old 6th Apr 2020, 11:02
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What few flights remained have been stopped now by the Romanian government
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Old 6th Apr 2020, 16:49
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So we are left with Budapest, Sofia & Skopje only now?
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