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The airport is aware that they are approaching the 18mppa ceiling and have advised us that for next year they will not be increasing the number of air traffic movements because of the potential to exceed the cap (though you will be aware that they did submit a screening request to determine whether increasing the number of passengers to 19mppa would constitute EIA development [LBC ref:19/01006/EIASCR]).
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LTNman. You talk of pressure groups but remember even if 300 people oppose the planning application and 100 are enthusiastic about it, there are still 400,000 people —plus, living within twelve miles around the airport who are neutral and therefore not concerned either way by the expansion. You need to rejoice the potential for an expanded Luton Airport that will generate thousands of jobs for local folk living in the airports catchment area. Yes the 18 million passenger limit will no doubt be breached for the year end but it’s not an Indictable offence! Once Brexit takes hold, more than ever the Government will seek growth in all areas of industry and would be foolish to deny employment opportunities at Luton!
Because someone doesn’t write or phone in does not mean they are neutral, it just means the council has form when it comes to ignoring complaints so why bother.
Also remember all local councils object to airport expansion so they represent their residents. Even little old Friends of Wigmore Park has around 2500 members and they also object.
As I have said before the council intends to create a new set of low paid workers as working in the terminal, on the apron or in the car parks is not a way to get rich unless you are a tanker driver. There is an argument that a zero hour contract is better than no job but that just leads to in-work poverty.
This is worth a read about Luton Airport and the jobs it will create. Does anyone dispute the report?
https://stoplae.org/workers-trapped-...owned-airport/
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Your ‘report’ is hardly from an unbiased source and doesn’t seem to contain a single referenced fact - just a load of supposition. It would be more compelling if it actually included some numbers. What is the average salary for ground staff, what proportion of employees are actually on zero hours contracts, how do salary levels compare with other employers in the Luton area, for instance.
It would be more compelling if it actually included some numbers. What is the average salary for ground staff, what proportion of employees are actually on zero hours contracts, how do salary levels compare with other employers in the Luton area, for instance.
The SLAE "report" is pretty thin - more of a polemic from a red-top newspaper than a serious analysis.
One of my hopes for post-Brexit Britain is that immigration is limited. It's these zero-hours contract jobs on the minimum wage that are fed by new arrivals. Often single people, they can live cheaply, and are prepared to work hard and conscientiously for little pay and no guarantees - but often for far more money than they can earn in their home country.
If the supply of cheap labour was limited, employers would have to improve pay and conditions to retain staff. Those that didn't would lose business.
This sounds like a long-term hope, but I firmly believe that it could be a positive spin-off from the cessation of "freedom of movement", which has fuelled the current surge in low-security, low-paid jobs.
And I speak as someone with first-hand experience of this end of the jobs market.
One of my hopes for post-Brexit Britain is that immigration is limited. It's these zero-hours contract jobs on the minimum wage that are fed by new arrivals. Often single people, they can live cheaply, and are prepared to work hard and conscientiously for little pay and no guarantees - but often for far more money than they can earn in their home country.
If the supply of cheap labour was limited, employers would have to improve pay and conditions to retain staff. Those that didn't would lose business.
This sounds like a long-term hope, but I firmly believe that it could be a positive spin-off from the cessation of "freedom of movement", which has fuelled the current surge in low-security, low-paid jobs.
And I speak as someone with first-hand experience of this end of the jobs market.
That said, you also have many decently paying jobs - flight crew, engineers and other operational staff. The closure of MON and the engineering arm was worth about 1,500-2,000 of those stable jobs but EZY and TUI, as well as WUK / FBO ops have a big presence, more so than other larger airports.
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All the Stop LAE stuff feels like it's been written by a child. There's lots more data and facts out there that could be used to constructively criticise the expansion of the airport. Unfortunately it misses the mark every single time and just reads like an unbalanced Daily Mail piece, if that Daily Mail piece was being written as some kind of teenage tabloid competition. So easy to dismiss that it undermined peoples genuine concerns which is a great shame.
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https://www.london-luton.co.uk/corporate/working-at-lla
Not many vacancies give hours and money but the above vacancies appear on the airports website. Friska is the first one I randomly came across giving hours and wages. No doubt there will be 40 hour jobs buried in the links if someone wants to go through the list.
Friska is offering 16 and 24 hour contracts paying £9.10 per hour or 8, 16, 24 and 30 hour contracts paying £8.35 per hour.
I have attended 2 airport job fairs and didn’t see any well paid jobs. There were plenty of low paid low hour contracts on offer plus zero hour work but then these are the vacancies that have really high staff turnover rates. Good jobs don’t get offered at job fairs. Of course there are the engineering jobs and jobs working for the likes of Easyjet, TUI and Gulfstream but these jobs are not going to increase just because the council builds a new terminal.
Remember the council has 20 year old outline planning permission to build a business park but want’s to use the land for a long term car park.
Not many vacancies give hours and money but the above vacancies appear on the airports website. Friska is the first one I randomly came across giving hours and wages. No doubt there will be 40 hour jobs buried in the links if someone wants to go through the list.
Friska is offering 16 and 24 hour contracts paying £9.10 per hour or 8, 16, 24 and 30 hour contracts paying £8.35 per hour.
I have attended 2 airport job fairs and didn’t see any well paid jobs. There were plenty of low paid low hour contracts on offer plus zero hour work but then these are the vacancies that have really high staff turnover rates. Good jobs don’t get offered at job fairs. Of course there are the engineering jobs and jobs working for the likes of Easyjet, TUI and Gulfstream but these jobs are not going to increase just because the council builds a new terminal.
Remember the council has 20 year old outline planning permission to build a business park but want’s to use the land for a long term car park.
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Nice to see WHSmith offering jobs at the minimum wage of £8.21 ph. Even better if they employ youngsters under 25 at under £5.
At least the salary of the CEO helps balance the average salary for the company.
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog...n-3-4m-payout/
Needless to say the CEO doesn't work at LLA.
At least the salary of the CEO helps balance the average salary for the company.
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog...n-3-4m-payout/
Needless to say the CEO doesn't work at LLA.
The SLAE "report" is pretty thin - more of a polemic from a red-top newspaper than a serious analysis.
One of my hopes for post-Brexit Britain is that immigration is limited. It's these zero-hours contract jobs on the minimum wage that are fed by new arrivals. Often single people, they can live cheaply, and are prepared to work hard and conscientiously for little pay and no guarantees - but often for far more money than they can earn in their home country.
If the supply of cheap labour was limited, employers would have to improve pay and conditions to retain staff. Those that didn't would lose business.
This sounds like a long-term hope, but I firmly believe that it could be a positive spin-off from the cessation of "freedom of movement", which has fuelled the current surge in low-security, low-paid jobs.
And I speak as someone with first-hand experience of this end of the jobs market.
One of my hopes for post-Brexit Britain is that immigration is limited. It's these zero-hours contract jobs on the minimum wage that are fed by new arrivals. Often single people, they can live cheaply, and are prepared to work hard and conscientiously for little pay and no guarantees - but often for far more money than they can earn in their home country.
If the supply of cheap labour was limited, employers would have to improve pay and conditions to retain staff. Those that didn't would lose business.
This sounds like a long-term hope, but I firmly believe that it could be a positive spin-off from the cessation of "freedom of movement", which has fuelled the current surge in low-security, low-paid jobs.
And I speak as someone with first-hand experience of this end of the jobs market.
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Knowing a decent amount of people working out of Luton airport as pilots, engineers and Refuellers, a large percentage do not live in Luton. The most extreme example was one capt living in the west of England. He wasn’t flying full time but a lot of well paid jobs don’t go to lutonians.
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Knowing a decent amount of people working out of Luton airport as pilots, engineers and Refuellers, a large percentage do not live in Luton. The most extreme example was one capt living in the west of England. He wasn’t flying full time but a lot of well paid jobs don’t go to lutonians.
Luton Town will benefit from 3rd party businesses supplying the airport.
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Wizzair using a SmartLynx from Riga today, demand that high or are delivery of new shiny new airbuses affecting them like Easyjet are experiencing?
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Looks as if the early morning RIX-LTN was HA-LWT (WizzAir) but returned to RIX shortly after take off so maybe a technical substitution
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All the Stop LAE stuff feels like it's been written by a child. There's lots more data and facts out there that could be used to constructively criticise the expansion of the airport. Unfortunately it misses the mark every single time and just reads like an unbalanced Daily Mail piece, if that Daily Mail piece was being written as some kind of teenage tabloid competition. So easy to dismiss that it undermined peoples genuine concerns which is a great shame.
Written by locals who are facing a new terminal and all the health hazards that will bring, being built literally on their doorstep. Judging by what I have been told, garnering considerable support locally and politically for the work they are doing in highlighting the huge financial gamble allegedly being taking by a borough council.
A good summary there.....I am pro-airport in many ways but this current Council needs to be held to account. Those who simply support expansion at any cost need to realise that if this was any other major UK airport the situation would be far more balanced and local residents would at least have a local Council who might actually listen!
A good summary there.....I am pro-airport in many ways but this current Council needs to be held to account. Those who simply support expansion at any cost need to realise that if this was any other major UK airport the situation would be far more balanced and local residents would at least have a local Council who might actually listen!