LHR given permission to build 3rd runway?
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Oh dear... this news isn't really unexpected unless you don't understand national infrastructure planning approvals.
The announcement today just outlines the process to be followed by HMG.
Once they announce their preferred option, it consults on it, then publishes a National Policy Statement, which then needs to be approved by Parliament "next winter". Heathrow would only then apply for planning permission under the framework (& support) of Government policy.
I believe the AC set out this planning route so it should've been expected.
The announcement today just outlines the process to be followed by HMG.
Once they announce their preferred option, it consults on it, then publishes a National Policy Statement, which then needs to be approved by Parliament "next winter". Heathrow would only then apply for planning permission under the framework (& support) of Government policy.
I believe the AC set out this planning route so it should've been expected.
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People and things in the way:to put it simply lots of them....so a lot of people are going to be annoyed about any proposal whether it is for an airport or a new road/bypass because it affects them adversely and its going to cost a great deal of money to move or placate them.
The UK is the most densely populated country in Europe. France has the same population in twice the land area.
Also the current legal framework give those aggrieved a lot of scope to make trouble whether that is inside parliament or outside.
I've done it myself - we had a local planning dispute going for 10 years for a 5 acre plot - just continue to moan and complain and argue endlessly, it went to judicial review, up to the local gov minister, round and round again.
Yes we used to do things like the Chinese when we built railways and canals and yes we could do it again: as follows:
1. Abolish all judicial review processes and any rights to question all and any Government decisions.
2. Abolish any duties on the government to "consult" various groups.
2. Abolish all right to compensation. Look how wartime legislation gave HMG a head start to 'create' Heathrow as it became by edict rather than actually have to "pay" landowners to buy the land plot by plot.
3. Abolish all H&Safety, Human Rights Acts and employment protection legislation.
4. Remove the right to vote from women - they are the main activists and complainers about usually everything.
People and things in the way:to put it simply lots of them....so a lot of people are going to be annoyed about any proposal whether it is for an airport or a new road/bypass because it affects them adversely and its going to cost a great deal of money to move or placate them.
The UK is the most densely populated country in Europe. France has the same population in twice the land area.
Also the current legal framework give those aggrieved a lot of scope to make trouble whether that is inside parliament or outside.
I've done it myself - we had a local planning dispute going for 10 years for a 5 acre plot - just continue to moan and complain and argue endlessly, it went to judicial review, up to the local gov minister, round and round again.
Yes we used to do things like the Chinese when we built railways and canals and yes we could do it again: as follows:
1. Abolish all judicial review processes and any rights to question all and any Government decisions.
2. Abolish any duties on the government to "consult" various groups.
2. Abolish all right to compensation. Look how wartime legislation gave HMG a head start to 'create' Heathrow as it became by edict rather than actually have to "pay" landowners to buy the land plot by plot.
3. Abolish all H&Safety, Human Rights Acts and employment protection legislation.
4. Remove the right to vote from women - they are the main activists and complainers about usually everything.
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As a side note, with a dramatic fall in the number of European flights using London airports surely coming in the next few years, is there really going to be much need for any new runway? There is no chance the likes of LH will need 30+ slots per day at LHR when all the banking stuff moves to Frankfurt for a start and the various other EU airlines, including BA won't be shuttling business workers around anywhere near as much as they currently do simply because there won't be as much attraction to London, so a lot of space for Long Haul will free up with the current setup anyway. Perhaps that is thier plan?
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If anyone needs disenfranchised it's angry misogynists.
And what's not being allowed to kill your workers and preventing gay bashing got to do with spineless politicians not being able to make a decision?
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Oh they can takea DECISION - but all the other stuff can be used to stop amything
Look at one of the forthcoming oil drilling (not fraccing) sites in S England - it took ten years to get planning approval...........
Look at one of the forthcoming oil drilling (not fraccing) sites in S England - it took ten years to get planning approval...........
As a side note, with a dramatic fall in the number of European flights using London airports surely coming in the next few years, is there really going to be much need for any new runway? There is no chance the likes of LH will need 30+ slots per day at LHR when all the banking stuff moves to Frankfurt....
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It's not all about slots as you well know it's all about Heathrow being totally congested and maxed out be it on the ground or in the air, just look at what happens when even one runway is closed its total meltdown it's because of situations like this that R3 is needed and was needed along time ago.
According to the 'pedia the Govt of the day started the HS2 process in January 2009 & the Sec.of State gave a decision to proceed in January '12, so it can be done. Certainly HS2 has a significant environmental impact & substantial costs - or am I missing something?
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I don't think they've actually started building HS2? Certainly ther protests continue.
This week, there must be champagne corks popping in AMS, CDG, FRA as well as at Waterside and many UK regional fields who want to keep their connecting flights.
This week, there must be champagne corks popping in AMS, CDG, FRA as well as at Waterside and many UK regional fields who want to keep their connecting flights.
...but at least a political decision to build was taken.
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We shall see. With the way things are going from this government so far, combined with their new found anti-foreigner, anti-expert, anti big business rhetoric then I remain to be convinced that LHR will be anything like as busy as it is now in 10 years time as focus moves away from London and towards other EU cities. If we ditch the EU open skies agreements, which this Govt may well do just for a laugh, because let's face it they dont' give a toss about aviation anyway, then we will really be in for a rough ride and LHR will become a shadow of current itself. That is possibly their reason for delaying it, because they know it won't be needed in the future.
We shall see. With the way things are going from this government so far, combined with their new found anti-foreigner, anti-expert, anti big business rhetoric then I remain to be convinced that LHR will be anything like as busy as it is now in 10 years time as focus moves away from London and towards other EU cities. If we ditch the EU open skies agreements, which this Govt may well do just for a laugh, because let's face it they dont' give a toss about aviation anyway, then we will really be in for a rough ride and LHR will become a shadow of current itself. That is possibly their reason for delaying it, because they know it won't be needed in the future.
We shall see. With the way things are going from this government so far, combined with their new found anti-foreigner, anti-expert, anti big business rhetoric then I remain to be convinced that LHR will be anything like as busy as it is now in 10 years time as focus moves away from London and towards other EU cities.