Holiday Market Growth in 2016
If so, great, when can I come!
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Exactly, then you will get proper Spanish prices as we did recently in Lerma (near Burgos in the north), glass of wine (large) and a beer 1 Euro each in a Hotel! Of course expect to pay a bit more near the coast as long as you are well away from the places the North Europeans frequent.
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Who in their right mind would take a holiday to one of the traditional Muslim countries that the British have frequented for years. This rules out the North African Mediterranean coast, Egypt and even Turkey for most people. Even the Greek Islands which are now also awash with economic migrants would put me off from going there, not for the risk but they all make the Islands look so untidy.
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Who in their right mind would take a holiday to one of the traditional Muslim countries that the British have frequented for years. This rules out the North African Mediterranean coast, Egypt and even Turkey for most people. Even the Greek Islands which are now also awash with economic migrants would put me off from going there, not for the risk but they all make the Islands look so untidy.
Guess that leaves Bradford and Blackburn out as well...............
The Future of Antalya (and other Turkish airports)?
Hi all...and please Mods feel free to change this thread to another field if you think convenient, however i think its of great importance.
For many years lots of airports in Turkey and Egypt, and specially that big mecca of spotters&aviation-lovers such as Antalya, (wich for consecutive years was awarded as the 30th busiest airport in the world), were too much depending and relying on Russian Tourism.
Gone are now the days when we could spot side by side on the sunny Antalyan tarmac lots of 747s, 777s, 767's, 330, etc, of now extinct Transaero, and others such as Nordwind, Orenair, Ifly, etc,etc....
However things changed rapidly and drastically. Antalya did a lot of investments and upgrades, without foreseeing what future could bring:
1) The great russian economic crisis
2) The Ucranian/Crimeia war
3) The demise of giant Transaero
4) and now the worst one IMHO, the total prohibition (as decided by Mr. Putin) of any Charter flights between both countries after the Sukhoi incident.
Having in mind that also lots of charter russian airlines grew up based on Turkey holidaymakers, what could be the destination of such airlines, and also of such summer big hubs in the likes of Antalya??
Your opinions please...Tks.
For many years lots of airports in Turkey and Egypt, and specially that big mecca of spotters&aviation-lovers such as Antalya, (wich for consecutive years was awarded as the 30th busiest airport in the world), were too much depending and relying on Russian Tourism.
Gone are now the days when we could spot side by side on the sunny Antalyan tarmac lots of 747s, 777s, 767's, 330, etc, of now extinct Transaero, and others such as Nordwind, Orenair, Ifly, etc,etc....
However things changed rapidly and drastically. Antalya did a lot of investments and upgrades, without foreseeing what future could bring:
1) The great russian economic crisis
2) The Ucranian/Crimeia war
3) The demise of giant Transaero
4) and now the worst one IMHO, the total prohibition (as decided by Mr. Putin) of any Charter flights between both countries after the Sukhoi incident.
Having in mind that also lots of charter russian airlines grew up based on Turkey holidaymakers, what could be the destination of such airlines, and also of such summer big hubs in the likes of Antalya??
Your opinions please...Tks.
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Having in mind that also lots of charter russian airlines grew up based on Turkey holidaymakers, what could be the destination of such airlines, and also of such summer big hubs in the likes of Antalya??
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All leading tour operators have suspended the sale of tours to Turkey. It remains to be seen whether the chill winds blowing across Turkey from Siberia will last into the Summer heat of the Turkish Med. However in the event that the conflict in Syria escalates it may have a severe impact on the travel industry as a whole. This will not affect just tour operators, hotel owners, kebab shops, belly dancers and rug and carpet peddlers, but it may also affect air crew jobs.
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http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...th-2016-a.html
OP this was the reason for starting this thread and better there than R&N.
OP this was the reason for starting this thread and better there than R&N.
well the balloon goes up in 12 hours if we start to bomb Syria so frankly my guess is that anywhere Brits go on holiday will be a target for Isis and that will include Spain Turkey etc
would not surprise me if Turkey will be next imho
any complacency by any EU country over keeping all citizens safe will be seen as a weakness and exploited - for me I am not going anywhere too far right now - perhaps Cape Verde or Caribbean is safest bet
sorry to be doom and gloom but Sharm was waiting to happen (assumes the metrojet was 100% a bomb) and I am surprised we are still flying charters to HRG but i guess because it is way south of insurgents in Sinai it is somewhat safer...maybe
having worked much in the charter airline industry since 1972 these times for operators are unprecedented - thankfully I am retired now
would not surprise me if Turkey will be next imho
any complacency by any EU country over keeping all citizens safe will be seen as a weakness and exploited - for me I am not going anywhere too far right now - perhaps Cape Verde or Caribbean is safest bet
sorry to be doom and gloom but Sharm was waiting to happen (assumes the metrojet was 100% a bomb) and I am surprised we are still flying charters to HRG but i guess because it is way south of insurgents in Sinai it is somewhat safer...maybe
having worked much in the charter airline industry since 1972 these times for operators are unprecedented - thankfully I am retired now
well the balloon goes up in 12 hours if we start to bomb Syria so frankly my guess is that anywhere Brits go on holiday will be a target for Isis and that will include Spain Turkey etc
would not surprise me if Turkey will be next imho
any complacency by any EU country over keeping all citizens safe will be seen as a weakness and exploited - for me I am not going anywhere too far right now - perhaps Cape Verde or Caribbean is safest bet
sorry to be doom and gloom but Sharm was waiting to happen (assumes the metrojet was 100% a bomb) and I am surprised we are still flying charters to HRG but i guess because it is way south of insurgents in Sinai it is somewhat safer...maybe
having worked much in the charter airline industry since 1972 these times for operators are unprecedented - thankfully I am retired now
would not surprise me if Turkey will be next imho
any complacency by any EU country over keeping all citizens safe will be seen as a weakness and exploited - for me I am not going anywhere too far right now - perhaps Cape Verde or Caribbean is safest bet
sorry to be doom and gloom but Sharm was waiting to happen (assumes the metrojet was 100% a bomb) and I am surprised we are still flying charters to HRG but i guess because it is way south of insurgents in Sinai it is somewhat safer...maybe
having worked much in the charter airline industry since 1972 these times for operators are unprecedented - thankfully I am retired now
That said, I agree with you regarding Turkey, and unless the UK government, and the public, are going to regain the British stoicism and stiff upper lip, I can see the list of places which HMG recommends we don't travel to growing.
Personally, I wouldn't think twice about travelling to Tunisia at the moment, probably also Sharm el Sheik and I think that we need to be left to make up our own minds, making our own risk assessments. We have to remember that thousands of tourists continue to visit both destinations I have highlighted, and following terrorist attacks, it is in the interests of all tourism reliant countries to ensure overseas visitors are safe and they will therefore be closing the proverbial stable door since the horses bolted.
Strangely, Turkey is one country I'd be more worried about travelling to, given it's stance in the conflict with factions in Syria, and it's borders with Syria which at least up till now leak like the proverbial seive.
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well the balloon goes up in 12 hours if we start to bomb Syria so frankly my guess is that anywhere Brits go on holiday will be a target for Isis and that will include Spain Turkey etc
I had two sets of friends in Sharm two weeks before the aircraft bombing and even then thought it would be the next place to be attacked but with UK based Muslims including a doctor trying to bomb Glasgow airport's terminal with a car bomb 8 years ago no where is safe and Syria then was at peace. It was revealed later that five of those arrested were qualified doctors.
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists appear to be Muslim which makes the world a dangerous place with Europe getting more dangerous by the day as millions more head this way due to their failed religion.
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Antalya did a lot of investments and upgrades, without foreseeing what future could bring:
So that was THREE thorough security checks. I can understand the need to 'put on a show', but ONE comprehensive check works fine for me. Unless they think that their own earlier security searches weren't up to the task!
Resort infrastructure in and around the Antalya region is excellent and the city itself has been very sensitively developed since my last visit. Lovely environment for a holiday (outside the mid-summer heatwave in my case). Locals generally friendly ... none of that hostility I have experienced in some North African countries even before the escalations of recent years. The hotel complex I visited was very attractive, though probably helped that it was done-up for the G20 crowd who visited just one week earlier. Risk levels around the city and resorts felt no higher than those at a high-profile UK shopping centre or Christmas Market.
I would happily re-book to visit AYT again. However, the problem with all resorts operating under the shadow of a perceived terrorist threat is that those charter flights are only viable if they attract a near-full load ... a partially-filled flight transporting the brave and intrepid only won't be sustainable financially. Tour operators won't run them if they don't sell well. I hope that Turkey can sidestep this threat, but I did note that eight customers booked on our trip had forfeited paid-for holidays and remained in the UK because of their security fears. That can't be a good sign going forward.
Terms or some sort of accord with the Turkish neighbors may be in Russia's interest within the near to mid term.
EDIT - Forgot to add: Antalya is host city of EXPO 2016. Preparations well underway.
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