Former RAF Church Fenton

[Heathrow Harry]

what is the market?

how many people go from Leeds to the City of London everyday - probably enough to fill one aircraft IF they all go at the same time

There is a train every 20-30 minutes and 2-13 travel time - miss one it's not a problem - miss the only aircraft of the day and you are stuffed

[LEEDS APPROACH]

Is Leeds East Airport just like Manston Airport?

Originally Posted by All names taken

An analogy worth quoting:

A former RAF airfield in a relatively rural location, reasonable road infrastructure not too far away, huge catchment to the west, nothing much to the east but with better alternatives in the region.........Church Fenton? No, I'm talking about Kent International rather than Yorkshire International. The same fate would await investors in 'YIA'.

The demarcation points drawn as a watershed where a potential passenger will find it as quick to get to Gatwick / London City as it would be to get to Manston airport is a line roughly from Rochester to Hastings. To the East of this line lies a Manston time catchment population of approximately 800 000 people.

Using the same watershed method for Leeds East airport as a direct (more suitable) replacement for LBA and for the benefit of the catchment test ignoring airports of less than a million passengers within Yorkshire that would be further impacted by Leeds East Airport [watershed airports are NCL, MAN and EMA] then the time catchment population is approximately 5.5 million people.

So under these circumstances Leeds East airport has approximately 7 times the time catchment population of Manston airport. This is of course before any road upgrades from LEA to the motorway network have been constructed which of course increase the time catchment population. This figure also ignores the potential elevated time catchment population due to the East Coast mainline and the Trans Pennine express fast rail connection as well as other potential rail connections.

This is why you cannot really compare the two airports.

[Heathrow Harry]

but why would anyone pay to REPLACE LBA which is (more or less) equidistant from the regions two main cities???

You open CF and people in Bradford have t o travel miles further - and they are voters as well

[David Thompson]

David, The Parish Council were on BBC Look North the other night with mutterings about noise, traffic etc and were asking for a planning consultation - all pretty low key though.

Thanks 2Planks . No doubt in the near future there will be planning hoops to jump through but hopefully Mr Makin will be well advised on how to proceed and win and hopefully to keep the locals on-side at the same time too ?

[LEEDS APPROACH]

Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry

but why would anyone pay to REPLACE LBA which is (more or less) equidistant from the regions two main cities???

You open CF and people in Bradford have t o travel miles further - and they are voters as well

No one is paying to replace it! Someone is paying to offer an alternative that may have better medium and long term aviation prospects for the whole of Yorkshire not just one city (I would say it definitely has better prospects). Because of the motorway connection v gridlock the difference in time between Bradford and LEA/LBA is negligible. There is already a direct rail service from Bradford to Church Fenton without the need for any expensive tram/trains going up hills! When you reposition an airport there will be losers and winners - there will be more winners than losers with this project. There have been discussions for some time now involving all parties who want to realise Yorkshire's civil aviation potential (please somebody put a link up to 'Calls for New Leeds Airport'-yep). The issue is not party political as the two airports are privately owned and this is not about winning votes it is about the best way of solving a problem. That problem involves historic exodus to other region's airports.

A start has been made. The first thing that must get built is the bypass of Yeadon and Rawdon.

[SWBKCB]

Sure he's had experience of disgruntled neighbours with his polytunnels - and all the strawberry growers I speak to say there's no money in it...

[LEEDS APPROACH]

It was an airbase for nearly 80 years. The RAF could have kept it and had fighter jet after fighter jet going in and out. That's why the local pub is called the 'Fenton Flyer'...

whereas I can understand the annoyance against HS2 going past the village (I am pro HS2).

[Fairdealfrank]

Using the same watershed method for Leeds East airport as a direct (more suitable) replacement for LBA and for the benefit of the catchment test ignoring airports of less than a million passengers within Yorkshire that would be further impacted by Leeds East Airport [watershed airports are NCL, MAN and EMA] then the time catchment population is approximately 5.5 million people.

You mention "the replacement for LBA". Who says that Yeadon is closing?

but why would anyone pay to REPLACE LBA which is (more or less) equidistant from the regions two main cities???

You open CF and people in Bradford have t o travel miles further - and they are voters as well

Yes, and not just Bradford, also from Huddersfield, Halifax and other towns in the west of conurbation as well.

No one is paying to replace it! Someone is paying to offer an alternative that may have better medium and long term aviation prospects for the whole of Yorkshire not just one city (I would say it definitely has better prospects). Because of the motorway connection v gridlock the difference in time between Bradford and LEA/LBA is negligible. There is already a direct rail service from Bradford to Church Fenton without the need for any expensive tram/trains going up hills! When you reposition an airport there will be losers and winners - there will be more winners than losers with this project. There have been discussions for some time now involving all parties who want to realise Yorkshire's civil aviation potential (please somebody put a link up to 'Calls for New Leeds Airport'-yep). The issue is not party political as the two airports are privately owned and this is not about winning votes it is about the best way of solving a problem. That problem involves historic exodus to other region's airports.

A start has been made. The first thing that must get built is the bypass of Yeadon and Rawdon.

It will never fly unless Yeadon closes, Yeadon isn’t closing, so………

Exactly the same as Heathrow v. Boris Fantasy Island

[Heathrow Harry]

I agree with your points Frank - it's a total non -starter

if you live East of Leeds you can drive to Doncaster or York and get a fast train; if you live in Leeds you can choose a train or LBA; if you live west of Leeds it's LBA, MAN or a train from Bradford

[blackbeard1]

Latest news from Leeds East.

"4 June 2015 at 7:30am
Film studio to be created at former RAF site
A major new film studio is to be created at the former RAF site at Church Fenton.

Screen Yorkshire, which has provided financial backing for a number of major films including A Right Royal Night Out has secured the rights to develop studio space in three of the hangars.

It is hoping the studios will deliver a significant boost to the region’s burgeoning film and TV infrastructure.
Last updated Thu 4 Jun 2015"
Film studio to be created at former RAF site | Calendar - ITV News

[paully]

Blackbeard

That sounds a bit awkward I mean if they are filming say a period drama and Jet2/KLM et al are `pushing tin` at the same time,its going to make sound editing a tough job, especially if one of those pesky high speed trains goes thundering past at the same time...

Still on the bright side you`ll be able to book a studio tour before your holiday flight to whereever....monster

[EESDL]

Church Fenton Dispersal Tunnels

When I was instructing at Fenton students mentioned exploring the tunnels which would take flyers across to the dispersed aircraft areas on the South side - during an air raid.
Would anyone with actual knowledge of these tunnels - ie where they start and end, please pm EESDL

[NorthSouth]

Sorry, Mr Makin's already filled them with potatoes

[LEEDS APPROACH]

Yorkshire's most accessible Airport

Leeds East Airport

Reminder of Air Display this Saturday. 26/9/2015

Vulcan Bomber - not many chances left.

Genuinely one of my favourite aircraft is the BAe 146 - So quiet they call it the WhisperJet.

[TSR2]

Genuinely one of my favourite aircraft is the BAe 146 - So quiet they call it the WhisperJet.

There is a 146 successor (RJX) on static display at the Runway Viewing Park at MAN Airport.

[N707ZS]

Almost a year gone by, has much happened? is the new owners finances in the black or red?


On the lighter side is there going to be a manic fly-in 2016?

[LBIA]

Read somewhere that they are doing a fly-in on 02/01/16 again at Leeds East Airport Church Fenton

[LBIA]

Birmingham based Cello Aviation is to start 4+ new routes from Leeds East Airport commencing from May 20th 2017. The airport was granted a licence for international charter flights after an CAA inspection earlier this week.

Cello plan to operate flights to Faro, Malaga, Cannes and Palma using a 62 seat (first-class configured) Boeing 737-300 aircraft, with return fares starting from just under £1,000.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-37305591

Minster FM - News - UPDATED - £1000 flights from North Yorkshire's new international airport

[BKS Air Transport]

Interesting. I wonder who will be marketing and providing the finance for the flights? I thought Cello were just a charter operator.

[Council Van]

A grand, good luck with that.

Pop over to Leeds and fly with the Northern favourite airline and you will have plenty of spending money left once you get to your holiday destination.