'Runways UK - Regions' [Davies Commission] Event
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'Runways UK - Regions' [Davies Commission] Event
If the The Davies Commission and the associated national debate about provision of future runway capacity in the UK is of interest to you, be advised that the main speeches and sessions from the event held at Manchester Airport on Tuesday have now been uploaded for public viewing.
Footage covering the 'Airport CEO's Panel' and aviation economist Andrew Lobbenberg are there already. Also speeches by Sir Richard Leese (representing 'Core Cities UK') and commission chairman Sir Howard Davies himself. Some, but not all, of the Q&A's have also been posted so far.
Anyone interested in new SE runway options [LHR & LGW], regional airport development policy and the future of UK commercial aviation generally will gain alot from watching these presentations.
The videos are uploaded via the site that sounds like YEWCHOOB … will the PPRuNe software disguise the actual name? But perhaps the best access route is to google 'Runways UK Regions' and click on "post show resources" under the 'Regions' tab. Note that footage from previous shows is also available, so be sure to access the 'Regions' section to view the latest stuff.
Informative viewing for those interested in this topic. If you still expect to be working in UK aviation going forward, this is essential viewing affecting your future career. Happy viewing. It's better than tonight's telly!
Footage covering the 'Airport CEO's Panel' and aviation economist Andrew Lobbenberg are there already. Also speeches by Sir Richard Leese (representing 'Core Cities UK') and commission chairman Sir Howard Davies himself. Some, but not all, of the Q&A's have also been posted so far.
Anyone interested in new SE runway options [LHR & LGW], regional airport development policy and the future of UK commercial aviation generally will gain alot from watching these presentations.
The videos are uploaded via the site that sounds like YEWCHOOB … will the PPRuNe software disguise the actual name? But perhaps the best access route is to google 'Runways UK Regions' and click on "post show resources" under the 'Regions' tab. Note that footage from previous shows is also available, so be sure to access the 'Regions' section to view the latest stuff.
Informative viewing for those interested in this topic. If you still expect to be working in UK aviation going forward, this is essential viewing affecting your future career. Happy viewing. It's better than tonight's telly!
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Selected footage of the Q&A sessions with Sir Howard Davies and Sir Richard Leese has now been uploaded. Both segments have been heavily edited with several questions and responses removed completely, but the remainder are still worth a look. I haven't had time to review the 'Airports CEO's' Q&A's yet, so I'm not sure if they've gutted those as well. But the segments covering principal speeches appear to be intact.
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Hurray, you've finally got the message.
Perhaps you and the other usual suspects will stop spamming the Manchester thread with drivel.
In light of this awakening, you may perhaps now, with apologies to Twain, take the time to write something shorter in future....or start your own blog
Perhaps you and the other usual suspects will stop spamming the Manchester thread with drivel.
In light of this awakening, you may perhaps now, with apologies to Twain, take the time to write something shorter in future....or start your own blog
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exactly how is it drivel?
The forum is:
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it doesn't say
"Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business. Oh, and a maximum of 3 sentences per reply is allowed provided your mother's maiden name is Festonshawe and she came from Auchtermuchty "
Only fools believe you can only report purely on airline X is going to fly Y times a week to Z. It's all about the access (road, rail, bus) , facilities (both at the airport and on board the aircraft) and routes (bilaterals, government policies, airlines). That means the people have to express themselves in a coherent manner and not the soundbite that is wanted here.
The forum is:
Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.
it doesn't say
"Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business. Oh, and a maximum of 3 sentences per reply is allowed provided your mother's maiden name is Festonshawe and she came from Auchtermuchty "
Only fools believe you can only report purely on airline X is going to fly Y times a week to Z. It's all about the access (road, rail, bus) , facilities (both at the airport and on board the aircraft) and routes (bilaterals, government policies, airlines). That means the people have to express themselves in a coherent manner and not the soundbite that is wanted here.
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Sir Howard Davies continues to operate well outside his remit, it is for him to present evidence not continually give us his own less than impartial views thoughts and opinions !
If long haul airlines wish to operate from Manchester Edinburgh and Birmingham so be it ......
If long haul airlines wish to operate from Manchester Edinburgh and Birmingham so be it ......
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Fantastic news about Cathay and Manchester, now also it appears Beijing, Shanghai are on the horizon.
Critical that Sir Howard Davies is not allowed to choke off these flights with his stupid comments about carbon emissions etc !
He seems to operate with impunity outside his remit unaware that things have moved on both in the aviation world AND politically since his commission first sat !
Critical that Sir Howard Davies is not allowed to choke off these flights with his stupid comments about carbon emissions etc !
He seems to operate with impunity outside his remit unaware that things have moved on both in the aviation world AND politically since his commission first sat !
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Hurray, you've finally got the message.
Perhaps you and the other usual suspects will stop spamming the Manchester thread with drivel.
Perhaps you and the other usual suspects will stop spamming the Manchester thread with drivel.
Sir Howard Davies continues to operate well outside his remit, it is for him to present evidence not continually give us his own less than impartial views thoughts and opinions !
If long haul airlines wish to operate from Manchester Edinburgh and Birmingham so be it ......
If long haul airlines wish to operate from Manchester Edinburgh and Birmingham so be it ......
Fantastic news about Cathay and Manchester, now also it appears Beijing, Shanghai are on the horizon.
Critical that Sir Howard Davies is not allowed to choke off these flights with his stupid comments about carbon emissions etc !
He seems to operate with impunity outside his remit unaware that things have moved on both in the aviation world AND politically since his commission first sat !
Critical that Sir Howard Davies is not allowed to choke off these flights with his stupid comments about carbon emissions etc !
He seems to operate with impunity outside his remit unaware that things have moved on both in the aviation world AND politically since his commission first sat !
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One mans connector is another man's long haul !
With significant increases from Man and Bhx, EDI, NCL are these flights not something that SHD should have factored in to the airport capacity debate ? I include THY in that discussion.
Is it not the case that we really are getting to the stage where Heathrow is irrelevant at least Eastbound ?
And if EK can make 2 or 3 connections with wide bodies work to Dubai do we actually need hourly flights to Heathrow.
Is this not an area that SHD should have looked at re LHR allowing an increase in long haul to more potentially more valuable destinations ?
With significant increases from Man and Bhx, EDI, NCL are these flights not something that SHD should have factored in to the airport capacity debate ? I include THY in that discussion.
Is it not the case that we really are getting to the stage where Heathrow is irrelevant at least Eastbound ?
And if EK can make 2 or 3 connections with wide bodies work to Dubai do we actually need hourly flights to Heathrow.
Is this not an area that SHD should have looked at re LHR allowing an increase in long haul to more potentially more valuable destinations ?
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Many big planning decisions depend on what you are willing to accept as constraints on the problem and what you consider to be variables. Suppose you had a completely blank piece of paper and 20/20 planners vision--- could you design a more efficient pattern of utilisation of LHR now and into the future? Probably yes.
In reality there are two sets of constraints. The first is slot regulation. LHR does not own the slots. DfT/CAA don't own the slots. Provided they use them the incumbent airlines 'own' the slots and can use them within the rules. Personally I think this is a very regrettable state of affairs which introduces all sorts of perverse incentives but until EU laws change, that's how it is.
Secondly, there are market forces. Will a bunch of airlines operating in some oligopoly way produce a pattern of frequencies and connections out of LHR which is in some sense optimal? Certainly not.
Is Sir Howard sensible to assume that these constraints are likely to persist well into the future and that the case for new capacity should assume they continue to operate? Yes he is.
In reality there are two sets of constraints. The first is slot regulation. LHR does not own the slots. DfT/CAA don't own the slots. Provided they use them the incumbent airlines 'own' the slots and can use them within the rules. Personally I think this is a very regrettable state of affairs which introduces all sorts of perverse incentives but until EU laws change, that's how it is.
Secondly, there are market forces. Will a bunch of airlines operating in some oligopoly way produce a pattern of frequencies and connections out of LHR which is in some sense optimal? Certainly not.
Is Sir Howard sensible to assume that these constraints are likely to persist well into the future and that the case for new capacity should assume they continue to operate? Yes he is.
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Haha 10 posts before the tumbleweed! And one of them was a "thank God this rubbish is out of the MAN thread" type post. Another was fairdealfrank doing his usual pasting of vast areas of text followed by a few random words of nothingness. So 8 actual posts. Lol lol lol Let the debate continue...
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Haha 10 posts before the tumbleweed! And one of them was a "thank God this rubbish is out of the MAN thread" type post. Another was fairdealfrank doing his usual pasting of vast areas of text followed by a few random words of nothingness. So 8 actual posts. Lol lol lol Let the debate continue...
Finally, finally, Turtle controller, at last you've had the balls to slag me off on THIS forum and not elsewhere. So what happened?
Well done.
Mind you, had it not been "a few random words of nothingness" (love it!) and something longer, than doubtless the E-word would have been wheeled out. BTW, the E-word for the uninitiated is "essay".
Other than vacuous comments, you appear to have nothing constructive to say. That really is a shame.
Turtle controller, you are brilliant, but apologies, just can't take you seriously.
Ho hum, am off to boil my head.
