MANCHESTER 1
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kerry Eire
Age: 76
Posts: 609
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
TURIN, if all l you are interested in is which airlines and aircraft may or may not be serving Manchester, that's fine, just follow the good advice you have been given. If you are not interested in the debate about moves in London which will affect the continued development of the airport and thus the chances of the airlines and aircraft actually serving MAN continuing to flourish and grow then, again take the advice.
Your latest post says it all. The posts on here about Hainan have been 90℅ speculation, I'll informed wishful thinking and totally repetitive "when will they/they will be" hopeful questions and wishful thinking answers.
If that and one line contributions is the level of input you want, that's your choice. If you can't be bothered to read the whole of a post courteously directed at you with some good advice, and then post back to the person concerned that you couldn't be bothred reading it all, that's your choice but people will draw their own conclusions about you.
Please stop whining, ignore what you don't want to read, and leave those of us who want and are able to be involved in intelligent debate to get on with it.
Your latest post says it all. The posts on here about Hainan have been 90℅ speculation, I'll informed wishful thinking and totally repetitive "when will they/they will be" hopeful questions and wishful thinking answers.
If that and one line contributions is the level of input you want, that's your choice. If you can't be bothered to read the whole of a post courteously directed at you with some good advice, and then post back to the person concerned that you couldn't be bothred reading it all, that's your choice but people will draw their own conclusions about you.
Please stop whining, ignore what you don't want to read, and leave those of us who want and are able to be involved in intelligent debate to get on with it.
Sorry, I'm with TURIN on this one.
I always dip into the MANCHESTER 1 forum when there are new postings, as, since MAN is one of the UK's three principal airports, it is interesting to find out what's going on.
However, so many posts seem to go around and around the same old themes and like TURIN, I get as far as the first of second paragraph, get the feeling of de ja vue, and think - "not again" and move on.
No matter how often people whinge about rail connectivity, the fact that London overshadows everything that happens in this small island, and that this, or that carrier doesn't have a hub in MAN nothing is going to change It is what it is, I don't like it either - but there's a fat lot anyone can do about it here.
Surely it's time to wake up to that fact and move on.
I always dip into the MANCHESTER 1 forum when there are new postings, as, since MAN is one of the UK's three principal airports, it is interesting to find out what's going on.
However, so many posts seem to go around and around the same old themes and like TURIN, I get as far as the first of second paragraph, get the feeling of de ja vue, and think - "not again" and move on.
No matter how often people whinge about rail connectivity, the fact that London overshadows everything that happens in this small island, and that this, or that carrier doesn't have a hub in MAN nothing is going to change It is what it is, I don't like it either - but there's a fat lot anyone can do about it here.
Surely it's time to wake up to that fact and move on.
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kerry Eire
Age: 76
Posts: 609
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Surely its time to wake up to the fact that without debate and action the status quo will remain. Things only get changed when people take an interest and make their opinion known. The changes I have seen for the better in the regions over the lat forty or so years have not come about by people accepting things as they were and deciding they can do nothing about it.
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Manchester
Posts: 1,106
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It really doesn't matter "who you are with" in this discussion. Your reading is ENTIRELY at your own discretion. You have the facility to place those contributors you do not wish to "be with" on your ignore list. And even if you don't do that, you can still skip postings after a quick glance. It really is that simple.
Don't expect the forum's most valued contributors (or even the likes of me!) to reformat their posting style to suit a small minority who post one-liner moans every six months. And nothing whatsoever of substance in the meantime. The decision to read / ignore is entirely yours. The decision to post / not post belongs to the contributor, not you.
The ongoing capacity debate is fundamentally important to Manchester Airport's future. Right now, it is arguably THE paramount concern affecting the future direction of the airport's development. MAG CEO Charlie Cornish has certainly been speaking out on this issue over recent months. Any decisions made at Westminster on this topic will directly affect the careers of thousands of AVIATION PROFESSIONALS whose livelihoods depend on Manchester Airport (and those which compete for business with it).
Don't expect the forum's most valued contributors (or even the likes of me!) to reformat their posting style to suit a small minority who post one-liner moans every six months. And nothing whatsoever of substance in the meantime. The decision to read / ignore is entirely yours. The decision to post / not post belongs to the contributor, not you.
The ongoing capacity debate is fundamentally important to Manchester Airport's future. Right now, it is arguably THE paramount concern affecting the future direction of the airport's development. MAG CEO Charlie Cornish has certainly been speaking out on this issue over recent months. Any decisions made at Westminster on this topic will directly affect the careers of thousands of AVIATION PROFESSIONALS whose livelihoods depend on Manchester Airport (and those which compete for business with it).
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Stockport
Age: 69
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
To add to the last post it`s also the companies that are moving to the region creating extra jobs and business/leisure travel, all these new
offices,warehouse bring many benifits to the airport be it indirectly or directly.
Ian
offices,warehouse bring many benifits to the airport be it indirectly or directly.
Ian
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 1,190
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think you may be wasting your time and effort Shed with some of the naysayers. As an aside, I'm not sure why a regular contributor on the BHX thread, who posts only very occasionally on here, should be telling us what we should and should not be discussing. I wouldn't dream of doing that on the BHX thread despite making the odd post.
If all we did was wait for LAX to tell us what had appeared on GDS by way of expected new routes or extra frequencies, or for an official announcement in the M.E.N. of a route starting, welcome though those are, it would be pretty quiet for long periods.
Even if we are 'allowed' to discuss the prospects for say, Ryanair expansion, how could this be done sensibly without consideration of capacity constraints by way of immigration resources or available stands? (a point Shed has raised).
On the topic of routes, should we be concerned that LPL has a new route to Bucharest - a destination which in my view should be available from MAN - that CSA are starting Prague and, just recently, that flybe have announced AMS 3 x daily? It seems highly unlikely that they will attract completely new pax which surely means there will be some impact on MAN.
For the sake of argument, suppose the flybe service attracted 100,000 pax a year to LPL that were not new pax (is that realistic?). That equates to about 2.5% of LPL's annual throughput. It's only about 0.5% of MAN's annual total, but compared to seat capacity for this summer which is only up 1.3%, it is not insignificant. I appreciate the LPL route only starts Sep.
So, a couple of questions:-
What are the code sharing arrangements if any with KLM for the two airports?
Do we think flybe will continue the MAN-AMS route, and how has it performed so far?
I recognise this may be considered by some to be mere speculation and therefore not permitted, in which case please skip this post.
If all we did was wait for LAX to tell us what had appeared on GDS by way of expected new routes or extra frequencies, or for an official announcement in the M.E.N. of a route starting, welcome though those are, it would be pretty quiet for long periods.
Even if we are 'allowed' to discuss the prospects for say, Ryanair expansion, how could this be done sensibly without consideration of capacity constraints by way of immigration resources or available stands? (a point Shed has raised).
On the topic of routes, should we be concerned that LPL has a new route to Bucharest - a destination which in my view should be available from MAN - that CSA are starting Prague and, just recently, that flybe have announced AMS 3 x daily? It seems highly unlikely that they will attract completely new pax which surely means there will be some impact on MAN.
For the sake of argument, suppose the flybe service attracted 100,000 pax a year to LPL that were not new pax (is that realistic?). That equates to about 2.5% of LPL's annual throughput. It's only about 0.5% of MAN's annual total, but compared to seat capacity for this summer which is only up 1.3%, it is not insignificant. I appreciate the LPL route only starts Sep.
So, a couple of questions:-
What are the code sharing arrangements if any with KLM for the two airports?
Do we think flybe will continue the MAN-AMS route, and how has it performed so far?
I recognise this may be considered by some to be mere speculation and therefore not permitted, in which case please skip this post.
What are the code sharing arrangements if any with KLM for the two airports?
Do we think flybe will continue the MAN-AMS route, and how has it performed so far?
You have to wonder about their chances though, running a Q400 up against the Airbus' and 737s of EZY and KLM, time will tell.
Last edited by Logohu; 2nd Apr 2015 at 12:13. Reason: typo
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: North West UK
Age: 69
Posts: 266
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Flybe
On a sector such as LPL AMS, Q400 versus jet is not appreciably different, particularly if there is holding at Schiphol. Jet instead of Q400 didn't do much for BMIR on MAN ABZ.
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Somewhere up there
Posts: 358
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Also agreeing with Turin.
I think Shed is rather arrogantly supposing that 'viewing' is the same as 'reading'. First few lines and I switch off - it amazes me that people have so little else to do with their lives than compose essay after essay all of which are variations on the same theme.
I too go to this forum to find out news about the airport and its airlines and routes - that's basically the thread title, instead I get the internet equivalent of BBC Parliament - House of Lords subsection.
And it's all about HEATHROW or new runways in the SE. Or trains.
Rather than suggest those of us who want to stick to the thread subject start tinkering with our settings - more practically why doesn't Shed or someone else start a new thread entitled......LHR / SE / impact on / or whatever? And carry on there.
I think Shed is rather arrogantly supposing that 'viewing' is the same as 'reading'. First few lines and I switch off - it amazes me that people have so little else to do with their lives than compose essay after essay all of which are variations on the same theme.
I too go to this forum to find out news about the airport and its airlines and routes - that's basically the thread title, instead I get the internet equivalent of BBC Parliament - House of Lords subsection.
And it's all about HEATHROW or new runways in the SE. Or trains.
Rather than suggest those of us who want to stick to the thread subject start tinkering with our settings - more practically why doesn't Shed or someone else start a new thread entitled......LHR / SE / impact on / or whatever? And carry on there.
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: UK
Age: 61
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Manchester Heathrow et al
As a long time reader of the Manchester threads I enjoy the debate around economic imbalances and infrastructure, along with the developments on new routes coming to fruition. To avoid seeing the thread locked again and allow folks to follow what they are interested in most, the suggestion of a "Heathrow impact on Manchester" thread (or similar) seems an excellent one. Then we can all follow the topic(s) that are of most interest to us easily.
1-11days (that gives my age away!)
1-11days (that gives my age away!)
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London (Babylon-on-Thames)
Age: 42
Posts: 6,168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...throw-179.html
Bagso's fighting the corner for MAN here. It might make more sense to discuss LHR's impact on other airports in here.
Bagso's fighting the corner for MAN here. It might make more sense to discuss LHR's impact on other airports in here.
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kerry Eire
Age: 76
Posts: 609
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Reasonable idea Skip until the one line post brigade complain about MAN being debated on the LHR thread. A thread for those of us with the interest, knowledge and persistence to argue our corners is both sensible and, I would have thought, easy to transfer the relevant posts to.
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Beyond the Blue Horizon
Age: 63
Posts: 1,257
Received 152 Likes
on
95 Posts
Dear Mods
Can we have a thread for those of us in the regions who are not just interested in A/C Reg numbers, or A/C types but economic / terminal developments. I for one, care little for day to day issues where I have little involvement, or interest, eg Virgin fire station salute issue, whoops insurance cover goes up ! However I am interested in the economic and employment / service issues in a place where I spend too much time, but not by choice !
Regards
Mr Mac
Can we have a thread for those of us in the regions who are not just interested in A/C Reg numbers, or A/C types but economic / terminal developments. I for one, care little for day to day issues where I have little involvement, or interest, eg Virgin fire station salute issue, whoops insurance cover goes up ! However I am interested in the economic and employment / service issues in a place where I spend too much time, but not by choice !
Regards
Mr Mac
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Monte Carlo
Age: 65
Posts: 143
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There was a separate thread called 'Davies commission' or similar. It was set up after the event in Manchester a few months ago. It was essentially Shed and Bagso talking to themselves and died a death, but by all means, try and dig it out and resurrect it.
Personally, I've yet to meet anyone involved in airline route development who believes that MAN is a substitute market for LHR. It doesn't surprise me at all that people in the business don't engage with the debate because for many (me included) it's based on an entirely false premise.
Personally, I've yet to meet anyone involved in airline route development who believes that MAN is a substitute market for LHR. It doesn't surprise me at all that people in the business don't engage with the debate because for many (me included) it's based on an entirely false premise.
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kerry Eire
Age: 76
Posts: 609
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There was a separate thread called 'Davies commission' or similar. It was set up after the event in Manchester a few months ago. It was essentially Shed and Bagso talking to themselves and died a death, but by all means, try and dig it out and resurrect it.
Personally, I've yet to meet anyone involved in airline route development who believes that MAN is a substitute market for LHR. It doesn't surprise me at all that people in the business don't engage with the debate because for many (me included) it's based on an entirely false premise.
Personally, I've yet to meet anyone involved in airline route development who believes that MAN is a substitute market for LHR. It doesn't surprise me at all that people in the business don't engage with the debate because for many (me included) it's based on an entirely false premise.
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Monte Carlo
Age: 65
Posts: 143
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
But if MAN isn't a substitute market, then why are you worried about LHR expanding. You clearly see it as a threat even though you appear to agree that the markets are separate.
MAN isn't a 'waiting room' for LHR.
MAN isn't a 'waiting room' for LHR.
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Manchester
Posts: 1,106
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
North West -
The thread you reference was set up specifically to direct those interested to video uploads from the 'Runways - UK' event held in early December. There was never any expectation that the thread would host discussions over the longer term. The thread was there to provide a signpost whilst the event was still topical. It did that. My own contribution to that thread was two brief postings, hardly befitting the description you give.
Who on this thread is suggesting that MAN is a substitute market for LHR? I have seen only claims that it is the best solution for the North [of England]. Why would anyone in route development believe that MAN is a substitute market for LHR? Please explain.
My own objection to LHR R3 is based upon the extraordinary projected cost of the proposals which I contend represent a huge financial risk far exceeding the potential rewards of the project. Thus I find myself agreeing with MAG's view that developing the major regional airports (including MAN) to serve their own regions as comprehensively as possible represents the most financially responsible course for the UK as a whole. I do not question the *operational* desirability of an expanded LHR, only the value of funding it at the eyewatering price-levels proposed.
My other concern is the pressing need to redress the huge imbalance of taxpayer investment in infrastructure serving London and the SE versus spend across the rest of the country. The additional funding required for supporting infrastructure enabling LHR expansion is estimated at £20 Billion in a report just published by TfL. Taxpayer support for even a portion of this would seriously jeopardise funding for serious infrastructure investment in the regions for years to come. The money can only be allocated once.
If you do wish to debate these issues with myself or other interested contributors, by all means put your case. But challenge us on the arguments we actually present, not your own "entirely false premise" scenario which you appear keen to discredit us with. I can't recall anybody arguing that standpoint on here.
The thread you reference was set up specifically to direct those interested to video uploads from the 'Runways - UK' event held in early December. There was never any expectation that the thread would host discussions over the longer term. The thread was there to provide a signpost whilst the event was still topical. It did that. My own contribution to that thread was two brief postings, hardly befitting the description you give.
Who on this thread is suggesting that MAN is a substitute market for LHR? I have seen only claims that it is the best solution for the North [of England]. Why would anyone in route development believe that MAN is a substitute market for LHR? Please explain.
My own objection to LHR R3 is based upon the extraordinary projected cost of the proposals which I contend represent a huge financial risk far exceeding the potential rewards of the project. Thus I find myself agreeing with MAG's view that developing the major regional airports (including MAN) to serve their own regions as comprehensively as possible represents the most financially responsible course for the UK as a whole. I do not question the *operational* desirability of an expanded LHR, only the value of funding it at the eyewatering price-levels proposed.
My other concern is the pressing need to redress the huge imbalance of taxpayer investment in infrastructure serving London and the SE versus spend across the rest of the country. The additional funding required for supporting infrastructure enabling LHR expansion is estimated at £20 Billion in a report just published by TfL. Taxpayer support for even a portion of this would seriously jeopardise funding for serious infrastructure investment in the regions for years to come. The money can only be allocated once.
If you do wish to debate these issues with myself or other interested contributors, by all means put your case. But challenge us on the arguments we actually present, not your own "entirely false premise" scenario which you appear keen to discredit us with. I can't recall anybody arguing that standpoint on here.
I Have Control
Join Date: May 2004
Location: North-West England
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why are "leader" vehicles used for stand 27/29? I can't recall which, but it seemed an unnecessary expense as the lead-in markings are perfectly clear and no marshaller is required.
As an aside, those "leader' drivers often drive far too slowly for a jet to follow them comfortably. Particularly on a single-engine taxi in, smooth speed control is needed from the jet driver's end to allow fuel savings by not making large changes to the thrust setting. Any answers?
As an aside, those "leader' drivers often drive far too slowly for a jet to follow them comfortably. Particularly on a single-engine taxi in, smooth speed control is needed from the jet driver's end to allow fuel savings by not making large changes to the thrust setting. Any answers?
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Manchester, England
Posts: 612
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Stand 27 Follow Me
Pilots sometimes get the approach to Stand 27 wrong, thinking it is parallel to Stand 25 if there is an aircraft parked thereon. There have been several instances of awkward manoeuvres attempting to get on Stand 27 when approaching off Taxiway Delta. The Delta/Lima intersection makes the wayfinding a bit awkward. The Follow Me was dropped for a while as a trial and the incidents returned. Mainly a problem for overseas pilots, based guys know it well enough.
I think you may be wasting your time and effort Shed with some of the naysayers. As an aside, I'm not sure why a regular contributor on the BHX thread, who posts only very occasionally on here, should be telling us what we should and should not be discussing. I wouldn't dream of doing that on the BHX thread despite making the odd post.
However I have an interest in commercial aviation in general, rather than being a willy-waggler for a particular airport - you will see I have posted in numerous threads, not just BHX - check out EMA, CWL, NCL, BRS - and probably a few other too.
Tumble-weed is an excellent description of the way some threads go, and I too would think that the best place for such discussions lies not with any particular airport thread, but with a general one covering the relationship of non-London airports with the rest of the UK. I think's there's already been one set up, which is good move.