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So flybe are the only new airline on LCY-DUB ?
Oh I see
Not like BA bave also entered the route since the previous year is it
You can't tell who's making an impact from caa stats as it doesn't break it down by airline, and where more than one airline operate a route its not possible to work out the numbers.
It's not exactly rocket science
Oh I see
Not like BA bave also entered the route since the previous year is it
You can't tell who's making an impact from caa stats as it doesn't break it down by airline, and where more than one airline operate a route its not possible to work out the numbers.
It's not exactly rocket science
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BA started on 26/10/14, BE started 27/10/14. Whichever way there is some phenomenal growth on the route,the only real looser seems to be LHR, could this just be BA's customers who now have a choice of 2 airports when they book - prices displayed for both at the same time.
I estimate that some 39,000 extra seats were offered by BA and Flybe combined on LCY-DUB in November 2014 and 20,400 additional pax were carried compared with November 2013.
Although that information adds a little to the debate, as cornishsimon says, it tells you nothing about the performance of Flybe on the route.
Although that information adds a little to the debate, as cornishsimon says, it tells you nothing about the performance of Flybe on the route.
Most people who contribute to this thread are Flybe knockers they were negative before the Flybe operation from Lcy started and won't like being proved wrong We'll have more information when the airline releases its quarterly management statement in three weeks time.
As always I'll read that carefully but the knockers won't
As always I'll read that carefully but the knockers won't
hi bean, you appear to have read quite a bit about Flybe, I only skim through the comments on PPRUNE, is it worth summarising how things have gone since the new management team took over for those of us who are too lazy to read it all? Did the last set of financial results from the previous management show profit or was it loss? How many pilots left during the doom and gloom period and how many have they recruited since? How many new routes started and dropped ?Which ones have turned out to be "keepers" ? I guess if 3 or more of the 6 (?) LCY route are good then its a bit of a result.
I would have thought starting new routes would have a significant cost attached from advertising and the early flights being low yield and load factors, surely starting and dropping a large number of routes in one year must affect the profitability of the airline?
I would have thought starting new routes would have a significant cost attached from advertising and the early flights being low yield and load factors, surely starting and dropping a large number of routes in one year must affect the profitability of the airline?
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EDI-NQY isn't a long shot.
The route has a long history and is still operated by BE, albeit much reduced from the 5-6 weekly of 5 years ago. It now operates only once weekly during summer which is of very little use
EDI-NQY via ext maybe
However the NQY summer schedule for flybe still doesn't look complete so I expect to see some additions yet to come
The route has a long history and is still operated by BE, albeit much reduced from the 5-6 weekly of 5 years ago. It now operates only once weekly during summer which is of very little use
EDI-NQY via ext maybe
However the NQY summer schedule for flybe still doesn't look complete so I expect to see some additions yet to come
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Apologies haha, don't know why I put EDI, I was meant to put LCY-EXT-NQY :P but still at least I made a valid suggestion and I agree x1 weekly does seem slightly useless for such a route.
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Don't think an extension on the ext route to NQY would work but I am surprised we have not seen NQY-LCY launched Friday, Saturday and Monday for example by either BA or BE.
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BA started on 26/10/14, BE started 27/10/14. Whichever way there is some phenomenal growth on the route,the only real looser seems to be LHR, could this just be BA's customers who now have a choice of 2 airports when they book - prices displayed for both at the same time.
Most people who contribute to this thread are Flybe knockers they were negative before the Flybe operation from Lcy started and won't like being proved wrong We'll have more information when the airline releases its quarterly management statement in three weeks time.
Apologies haha, don't know why I put EDI, I was meant to put LCY-EXT-NQY :P but still at least I made a valid suggestion and I agree x1 weekly does seem slightly useless for such a route.
It could work at a small airport like EXT (and others) where there would be no queues to land/takeoff, no long taxis to/from the terminal, only short walk for pax between gate and plane, and no need to refuel or load catering supplies.
In many ways it would be back to the future (1940s, 1950s, 1960s) when multi-stop flights were routine.
Thinking outside the box? Probably.
Don't think an extension on the ext route to NQY would work but I am surprised we have not seen NQY-LCY launched Friday, Saturday and Monday for example by either BA or BE.
Didn't Brymon used to do NQY-PLH-LHR back in the day, and Air Southwest NQY-PLH-LGW more recently?
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Wish they'd reopen PLH, I'm sure you could get a Q400 in and out of there "easily" just operate outbounds via NQY/EXT. But I'm sure there will be some reason why that can't happen.
But I hope either EXT loads improve or they add a NQY tag
But I hope either EXT loads improve or they add a NQY tag
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Don't think an extension on the ext route to NQY would work but I am surprised we have not seen NQY-LCY launched Friday, Saturday and Monday for example by either BA or BE
EXT is screwed I suspect and DUB will follow as BE are trapped in a BA/EI/FR sandwich.
Wish they'd reopen PLH, I'm sure you could get a Q400 in and out of there "easily" just operate outbounds via NQY/EXT. But I'm sure there will be some reason why that can't happen.
On a different note FlyBe are determined to undermine the West Country Rail system by their latest comments.
Ditch unreliable expensive trains says most punctual airline Flybe | Western Morning News
However I can't see air and rail fares dropping because the price of fuel has come down. It would be interesting to see which carriers are hedging their fuel whilst the prices are low.
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On a different note FlyBe are determined to undermine the West Country Rail system by their latest comments.
Ditch unreliable expensive trains says most punctual airline Flybe | Western Morning News
However I can't see air and rail fares dropping because the price of fuel has come down. It would be interesting to see which carriers are hedging their fuel whilst the prices are low.
Ditch unreliable expensive trains says most punctual airline Flybe | Western Morning News
However I can't see air and rail fares dropping because the price of fuel has come down. It would be interesting to see which carriers are hedging their fuel whilst the prices are low.
Even in this day and age, in many peoples' minds, flying is still considered to be something only done a couple of times a year on holiday, and wouldn't consider flying to see friends/relatives in different parts of the UK.
Also suspect that many people are not even aware that these possibilities exist.
It's a shame because it's always good to have a choice, and with increasing congestion on road and rail, the option of flying is becoming essential.
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I really don't think flying gets enough credit! Airlines should drive home the point that you don't have to be at the airport 5 hours before your flight and queue for 2 hours at each end etc. Focus on the fact that at most airports you can safely check in 20/30 minutes before and be out in less than 10 minutes at the other side.
On the topic of transport, it might not be a bad idea for airlines to strike deals with bus companies and offer airport shuttles timed with their flights, include them in the price or an additional £5 or something... Maybe even offer inner city check in at bus and train stations!
On the topic of transport, it might not be a bad idea for airlines to strike deals with bus companies and offer airport shuttles timed with their flights, include them in the price or an additional £5 or something... Maybe even offer inner city check in at bus and train stations!
On the topic of transport, it might not be a bad idea for airlines to strike deals with bus companies and offer airport shuttles timed with their flights, include them in the price or an additional £5 or something... Maybe even offer inner city check in at bus and train stations!
Rail-Fly - Singapore Airlines
However I don't see FlyBe tying up with any rail or bus companies. Far from it was previously posted they're trying to compete with FGW>
I really don't think flying gets enough credit! Airlines should drive home the point that you don't have to be at the airport 5 hours before your flight and queue for 2 hours at each end etc. Focus on the fact that at most airports you can safely check in 20/30 minutes before and be out in less than 10 minutes at the other side.
Oh for the "good old days" of flying in the 60s and 70s - things were so much simpler in those days! (I appreciate that some won't remember them, that's the benefit of being a "grumpy old man").
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Well, at the airports I am most familiar with (LBA and MAN T1 and 3) at peak times and needing to check a bag, anything less than 90 minutes would feel risky to me. Half an hour at the check in desk, half an hour queueing for security and fifteen minutes to the gate has happened to me. It's not the average time that matters, it's the time you need to leave to feel comfortable about making it.
The cross over point at which air can get a significant market share seems to me to have gone out from three to four or even five hours rail journey time. MAN to Paris by train or plane--pretty marginal really.
The cross over point at which air can get a significant market share seems to me to have gone out from three to four or even five hours rail journey time. MAN to Paris by train or plane--pretty marginal really.
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Oh for the "good old days" of flying in the 60s and 70s - things were so much simpler in those days! (I appreciate that some won't remember them, that's the benefit of being a "grumpy old man").
Unfortunately you can't get something for nothing, and airport operators facing increasing competition in fees (by consequence of deregulation and the low-cost model putting pressure on them through the uptake of out-of-town airports) noticed this was potentially lucrative. So for the price of having to walk through some grotty shopping arcade, you really can now fly for the price of a pair of moderately-priced jeans.
So as you're compelled to sniff that horrible melange of mixed after-shave and cheap perfume, do spare a thought for all those who couldn't have dreamt of flying 'back in the good old days'. Hurrah - at least (like that crisp pair of jeans still on their hangar) the new ones aren't so bad either
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Brussels Airlines
All BHX-Brussels services from Monday 11 May show Brussels Airlines aircraft and from the end of March the BRU-HAJ changes from flybe to Tyrolean.
Are flybe getting these two aircraft back earlier than October 2015 or are they going on to different Brussels routes?
Are flybe getting these two aircraft back earlier than October 2015 or are they going on to different Brussels routes?