Long Haul Low cost out of Stansted true or False?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Earth
Posts: 189
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Long Haul Low cost out of Stansted true or False?
Hi folks
Sorry if this is the wrong place to put this, was at the local the other day which isn't far from a certain airport and speaking to a couple of pilots they tell me of a new long haul low cost operation is to commence from Stansted second quarter..
Digging at them for more info I get the impression its either Norwegian changing Gatwick to Stansted for cost reduction but digging further it could actually be a current airline or something completely new...
Anyone working in or is in the know at Stansted put any kudos to these pilot's rumours or is Ryanair finally going Long Haul potentially???
Sorry if this is the wrong place to put this, was at the local the other day which isn't far from a certain airport and speaking to a couple of pilots they tell me of a new long haul low cost operation is to commence from Stansted second quarter..
Digging at them for more info I get the impression its either Norwegian changing Gatwick to Stansted for cost reduction but digging further it could actually be a current airline or something completely new...
Anyone working in or is in the know at Stansted put any kudos to these pilot's rumours or is Ryanair finally going Long Haul potentially???
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: On a foreign shore trying a new wine diet. So far, I've lost 3days!
Age: 75
Posts: 394
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Earth
Posts: 189
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
OTB
That would actually make sense, I hand not bargained or thought of Air Asia X what so ever when it reality it should have been in my mind... its only because the pilots in question were adamant it was a European company but perhaps that was to throw me off from thinking Asian or Middle Eastern, who ever they are good luck to them...
That would actually make sense, I hand not bargained or thought of Air Asia X what so ever when it reality it should have been in my mind... its only because the pilots in question were adamant it was a European company but perhaps that was to throw me off from thinking Asian or Middle Eastern, who ever they are good luck to them...
As yet nobody has made a success of Low cost Longhaul!
From Freddie Laker to 'all business' Silverjet they have failed. The cost of operating suitable equipment is one factor in its failure.
From Freddie Laker to 'all business' Silverjet they have failed. The cost of operating suitable equipment is one factor in its failure.
The cost of operating suitable equipment is one factor in its failure.
The only carrier that seems to be working so far is Scoot which caters for the high density Asian market. If they were to spread their wings to Europe would they be able to make a profit? Time will tell.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Earth
Posts: 189
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Narrow Runway
Its a bit unfair to shoot the messenger as they say, however to be fair to the pilots in question they are well experienced and one of them is a TRI on the A330/A340 which would make the theory of OTB valid as AAX is a user of both models.
I also agree with regards to what the others have said regarding the right destinations and aircraft choice personally 2 engines would always be better than 4 engines unless we are talking a 480 seat 747-400 but even that is almost out of fashion with tens of them being parked around the world burning an average of 9t an hour when they do fly, I will be meeting the guys again down the pub this weekend so will press for more information, but everything these guys have told me including Norwegian out of Gatwick has been proved right I don't see them being wrong on this one..
Its a bit unfair to shoot the messenger as they say, however to be fair to the pilots in question they are well experienced and one of them is a TRI on the A330/A340 which would make the theory of OTB valid as AAX is a user of both models.
I also agree with regards to what the others have said regarding the right destinations and aircraft choice personally 2 engines would always be better than 4 engines unless we are talking a 480 seat 747-400 but even that is almost out of fashion with tens of them being parked around the world burning an average of 9t an hour when they do fly, I will be meeting the guys again down the pub this weekend so will press for more information, but everything these guys have told me including Norwegian out of Gatwick has been proved right I don't see them being wrong on this one..
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: In transit
Age: 70
Posts: 3,052
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Loftleidir was an excellent airline but as a criterion for success, they ceased operation in the early 80's as an airline although I think they still exist as a lessor of a/c to Icelandair.
Laker? Well, he was the victim of a conspiracy who wanted to force him out of business, so nobody knows if the business model was sustainable. Long haul low cost does seem to be dead in the water for a number of reasons.
Laker? Well, he was the victim of a conspiracy who wanted to force him out of business, so nobody knows if the business model was sustainable. Long haul low cost does seem to be dead in the water for a number of reasons.
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 2,584
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I know it's not a direct comparison but I reckon long haul cattle class has been low cost for a long time. How much do you pay for a loco London to Glasgow - 1 hour? £50 is cheap. What do you pay London to New York - 7 hrs? £300 is about right - if you're lucky. Pretty much the same per hour. Just haow much can you cut off that>
I'm not sure that "no frills" - ie Ryanair style buy-everything-as an-extra is what people want long haul. You need food and drink and you certainly don't want to be bombarded by the sell sell sell that goes with ultra loco.
I'd have thought Silverjet had the right idea. Reasonable cost business class, but they were too small (too few unreliable old airframes) and probably at the wrong airport (STN).
I'm not sure that "no frills" - ie Ryanair style buy-everything-as an-extra is what people want long haul. You need food and drink and you certainly don't want to be bombarded by the sell sell sell that goes with ultra loco.
I'd have thought Silverjet had the right idea. Reasonable cost business class, but they were too small (too few unreliable old airframes) and probably at the wrong airport (STN).
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: In transit
Age: 70
Posts: 3,052
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The problem with Silverjet, Eos, and Maxjet was that they operated from GB airports which didn't have the credibility or connections to attract the type of clientele they needed in sufficient numbers to give the yields they needed.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Earth
Posts: 189
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Crewmeal
Your sarcasm is very refreshing, however I am in the thinking anything that involves job creation in the industry is a welcome addition be it legacy or loco, short haul or long haul, I have no personal vested interest in this news, if you have something against crews and professionals meeting down the local for a bit of banter and information exchanges that is your problem not mines or anyone else's.
Your sarcasm is very refreshing, however I am in the thinking anything that involves job creation in the industry is a welcome addition be it legacy or loco, short haul or long haul, I have no personal vested interest in this news, if you have something against crews and professionals meeting down the local for a bit of banter and information exchanges that is your problem not mines or anyone else's.
A Runyonesque Character
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: The South of France ... Not
Age: 74
Posts: 1,209
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
The sainted Freddie
Laker's business model was not sustainable and his airline was going rapidly down the tubes. McDonnell Douglas and General Electric put together a rescue package and the 'conspiracy', which was real enough, consisted of a number of flag carriers (led by BCal) warning them off.
Buying a fleet of A300s to operate a network of fifth and seventh freedom European services for which he didn't stand a chance of getting the route approvals wasn't exactly the brightest of moves.
The man had an ego the size of Bolivia, although having witnessed his performance in CAA hearings, he was certainly entertaining.
Buying a fleet of A300s to operate a network of fifth and seventh freedom European services for which he didn't stand a chance of getting the route approvals wasn't exactly the brightest of moves.
The man had an ego the size of Bolivia, although having witnessed his performance in CAA hearings, he was certainly entertaining.
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: The IMF.
Posts: 537
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wannabe Aviator
Just because someone is a TRI does not mean they have the first idea about commercial plans for an airline or operator.
Being a TRI is NOT a big deal.
Carry on being a wannabe.
Being a TRI is NOT a big deal.
Carry on being a wannabe.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Earth
Posts: 189
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Since the slinging match has started in earnest I will go ahead with my name WA and you carry on with your Narrow mind I mean runway...
Sir if you have no interest in engaging in a meaningful and polite conversation and discussion on the subject matter no one is putting a gun to your Narrow mind to do so, as you can see others have pitched in with their ideas and suggestions regarding the matter of long haul low cost you on the other hand have contributed nothing except for showing us all how frustrated you seem to be.
This is a Rumour network where people from various ideas, religions, background, professions and so on meet up on the virtual airways to discuss rumours as well as other subject matters related to our industry, sir if you have no desire to engage in a professional and polite manor I urge you not to come back.
As for my screen name, it has nothing to do with my level or competency within the industry, its mere cheekiness at wanting to emulate the one of the greatest aviators that lived Howard Hughes but you wouldn't know anything about banter.
If these pilots tell me there is a Long Haul loco at Stansted to be launching soon, again based on the track record of information of this particular TRI I am inclined to believe it...
Sir if you have no interest in engaging in a meaningful and polite conversation and discussion on the subject matter no one is putting a gun to your Narrow mind to do so, as you can see others have pitched in with their ideas and suggestions regarding the matter of long haul low cost you on the other hand have contributed nothing except for showing us all how frustrated you seem to be.
This is a Rumour network where people from various ideas, religions, background, professions and so on meet up on the virtual airways to discuss rumours as well as other subject matters related to our industry, sir if you have no desire to engage in a professional and polite manor I urge you not to come back.
As for my screen name, it has nothing to do with my level or competency within the industry, its mere cheekiness at wanting to emulate the one of the greatest aviators that lived Howard Hughes but you wouldn't know anything about banter.
If these pilots tell me there is a Long Haul loco at Stansted to be launching soon, again based on the track record of information of this particular TRI I am inclined to believe it...