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Old 6th Feb 2013, 21:22
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Does anybody really think this will happen, i just can't see FR being allowed to take over EI.
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Old 6th Feb 2013, 22:00
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Flybe have taken a big risk on this one - If the EU give the go ahead flybe (allegedy) get 3 years cash and then have to compete with Ryanair. If it does not get the go ahead they have p*ssed of Aer Lingus who may sense blood against a weeker Airline - Flybe's dublin routes would be in the spotlight and who knows what else...or maybe after all this goes away Flybe and Aer Lingus kiss and make up and become a partnership on short haul european routes...
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 06:23
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This forum has a number of FR supporters who regularly put forward reasoned views on the airlines maneuverings.

Perhaps it is now opportune for them to reveal how MOL's latest brainwave will benefit the Irish economy?
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 07:22
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Airlines don't have any social responsibilities and only exist to serve their shareholders. Protection of the ordinary Joe Soap is down to the EU and competition law.
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 10:14
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Well said.

One tends to pass over the rantings of MOL but two particular utterances in the past have always stuck in my mind.

The first was, we will create 4000 jobs.......... after we have made 4000 redundant.

Looking out of his window in Dublin at an Aer Lingus sign and saying those.............., I will close them down.

Certain words have been deleted for those of a sensitive nature.

Let us hope that the EU Commissioners have, at least, half a brain.
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 10:53
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Once there is free entry and non collusive behaviour among the participants then there is competition. Even a small amount of imperfect information could have a significant effect on competition and personally I think the EU will find the assumptions objectionable.
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 12:04
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Make no mistake, this is to dispose of Aer Lingus SH plus the high cost staff associated with it.

I can only see FlyBe wrapping up the business and cashing in on the assets once its drained some cash from Frenchies pocket.
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 12:44
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It means the beginning of FR long haul. 250 rtn to JFK from STN, EMA, MAN using EI aircraft. And they'll fill every single one of them.

It'll mark the beginning of FR doing to long haul what it has already done to short haul.

(All conjecture of course)

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Old 7th Feb 2013, 14:12
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" It means the beginning of FR long haul. 250 rtn to JFK from STN, EMA, MAN using EI aircraft." Would it not be easier and cheaper to buy some new A330's for these routes to JFK if ryanair really wanted to go long haul?
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 14:36
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True, but this may well be a case of killing two birds (pardon the pun) with one stone. The theory is that FR will use EI to test their model long haul. Why pay for new aircraft to fly an operation that is a gamble. This way they buy an existing business to test it on and knock out the rival in one foul swoop.
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 14:39
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He's killing two birds with one stone. Getting rid of Aer Lingus and starting T/A. Remember EI did everything in it's power in colushion with the Irish Gov to stop FR at the begining, I don't think MOL has forgiven them for that. He will want to crush/belittle EI, it's personal between him and EI. Unfortunetly, like all the squabbles that FR/MOL get involved in, as in Airport/Route disputes it's us, the general public that will be the looser in the the long term.
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 14:41
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Glad to see someone is thinking along the same lines as me. Well said sunday8pm.
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 15:16
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aer lingus: it's always easy to compliment those who agree with you, whatever the merits. As my wife says,"do you want to right or happy?"
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 15:30
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...and if MOL is wanting to do this long haul thing seriously he'll be upping his APD battle with Downing Street. GBP65 per pax going to the US is seriously going to eat into their margins.

Or they can do what is expected, go running to the likes of Holland, Spain and Italy where they've reduced (in some cases scrapped) their taxes.
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 15:40
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This has noting to do with "testing a long haul model". If he wanted long haul, why waste 100 million in a gift to flybe. Ryanair have plenty of cash reserves to buy whatever long haul aircraft they want. This is plain and simple a hostile takeover attempt in order to destroy Aer Lingus and any competition out of Ireland. This would be an absolute disaster for the Irish people, the keys to the country would be in the hands of a mad man! He would have complete control travelling public and the DAA.
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 15:52
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Maybe, but they're giving Flybe less than the cost of 1 x new A330 and if it does the trick they'll gain 7 or 8 long haul aircraft from the takeover as well as achieving the objectives you specify. None of us are doing anything other than speculate here but the water is definitely not crystal clear whichever perspective you're coming from.

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Old 7th Feb 2013, 16:06
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Maybe he could launch TA from BFS as APD is zero?
Or Lough Neagh International as MOL refers to it

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Old 7th Feb 2013, 16:18
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No, he is far from being a madman. For the first time I will use the word megalomaniac.

We are still not hearing anything from the usual FR fans.

They are usually eloquent and reasoned in their responses. Notice how we talk in terms of MOL and not the airline.
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 16:30
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It means the beginning of FR long haul. 250 rtn to JFK from STN, EMA, MAN using EI aircraft. And they'll fill every single one of them.
Or you know, 500-600, whatever people will buy them for. MOL isn't interested in lowering ticket prices, he's interested in profit, and if people are willing to pay that much now and still manages to fill the aircraft (Yes, Aer Lingus has a very very high load factor on Long Haul) then he's not going to suddenly start charging less than he's currently able to get out of you. MOL will charge as much as he can get passengers to pay, because he's in the business of making money, not lowering fares.
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Old 7th Feb 2013, 17:27
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That too is true and from Ireland that may well be the case. I was only really playing devils advocate. That being said if we think hypotyrtically even one step further ahead lets not forget how MOL would revel in offering the cheapest T/A "fare" on the market from a PR perspective, and too stick one right on the big LHR/BAA establishment nose. Lest we forget MAG are going to have little choice but to be very cozy with FR in the short and medium term and would break their own backs for all new scheduled T/A services from STN in particular.
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