New Amsterdam Airport at Lelystad
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New Amsterdam Airport at Lelystad
What's all this nonsense I'm hearing about the above?! Apparently EZY aren't much fussed about not being consulted. Anyone know anything?
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It's not 'in the middle of nowhere'.
It's 45 minutes by rail to Amsterdam and an hour to Schiphol. There are few nations on earth who are better at making things work than the Dutch, particularly when it comes to transportation, and if SPL is at capacity, this looks like a good solution.
It's 45 minutes by rail to Amsterdam and an hour to Schiphol. There are few nations on earth who are better at making things work than the Dutch, particularly when it comes to transportation, and if SPL is at capacity, this looks like a good solution.
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- A government realising that the main hub is getting full?
- Then looking at alternatives?
- Considering options for non-connecting flights that need not go to the hub?
- Wanting to ensure that the hub remains clear for being a good hub into the future when other hubs might be saturated?
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Contrary to most of you here, I have both taken off and landed at Lelystad airport. Talking about "middle of nowhere" in the Netherlands makes me laugh. From Lelystad you can almost reach any corner of the country by car in less than two hours.
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Lelystad
Perhaps the idea is to divert the point-to-point holiday charter flights and no frills business away from Schiphol so that it maintains its status as one of the five main European hubs.
In other words, following the UK system of segregating the various business models between different airports. The UK has done it by accident through supply and demand economics (the lack of available LHR slots and the consequent expense of acquiring them), the Netherlands may do it by government planning(?). Schiphol would become more like Heathrow in this respect with Lelystad taking on a Stansted or Luton role, albeit on a smaller scale.
Surprised that Schiphol is reaching saturation point already, or is this sensible forward planning for the future?
In other words, following the UK system of segregating the various business models between different airports. The UK has done it by accident through supply and demand economics (the lack of available LHR slots and the consequent expense of acquiring them), the Netherlands may do it by government planning(?). Schiphol would become more like Heathrow in this respect with Lelystad taking on a Stansted or Luton role, albeit on a smaller scale.
Surprised that Schiphol is reaching saturation point already, or is this sensible forward planning for the future?
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Schiphol is getting busy thus the government is looking at other options (how clever). Problem is that both Schiphol and Rotterdam lie in one of the most densely populated areas of Europe. Eindhoven and Lelystad have been appointed as overflow airports, that can take away the strain from Schiphol and at a lower cost). Point-to-Point flights can then indeed use Lelystad or Eindhoven. It doesn't mean Schiphol won't grow, probably just slowers as capacity is swifted away to less noise sensitive regions!
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A bit more about Leystad (LEY) and where it is in relation to AMS SIDs (in orange) and STARs (in yellow).
LEY sits more and less right below the main artery in to AMS from the northeast and east. The flight level of the passing planes above LEY will normally be at 7,000 feet or more.
Lelystad must be upgraded to become an overflow airport for AMS. Today's 1,200 m long runway have to be lengthened and I presume today's terminal isn't large enough.
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.4...58.92,,0,-4.39
LEY sits more and less right below the main artery in to AMS from the northeast and east. The flight level of the passing planes above LEY will normally be at 7,000 feet or more.
Lelystad must be upgraded to become an overflow airport for AMS. Today's 1,200 m long runway have to be lengthened and I presume today's terminal isn't large enough.
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.4...58.92,,0,-4.39
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So the Dutch consider an off-shore airport and then reach the more sensible conclusion of using an existing runway which can be reached from major population centres in / around Amsterdam within the hour.
Meanwhile, in the UK, we cast aside the obvious usage of existing London area airports (of which there are many) and place our hopes on an island airport which really is, you guessed it, in the middle of nowhere.
Then again, AMS already has 6 runways, but lacks terminal capacity, whereas LHR still only has 2.
If this airport does develop into a low cost base of the 2m pax pa mark, will there be a direct rail link into the terminal, or just a bus from Lelystad?
Meanwhile, in the UK, we cast aside the obvious usage of existing London area airports (of which there are many) and place our hopes on an island airport which really is, you guessed it, in the middle of nowhere.
Then again, AMS already has 6 runways, but lacks terminal capacity, whereas LHR still only has 2.
If this airport does develop into a low cost base of the 2m pax pa mark, will there be a direct rail link into the terminal, or just a bus from Lelystad?
jabird - I think you're oversimplifying the comparison. The Dutch have just one airport for Amsterdam which happens to be a megahub. Buried in that hub are a lot of LCC and holiday flights which add little or no no-2nd-checkin connectivity to the hub - think Arkefly, Corendon, Easyjet and Transavia.
In the UK these flights have already been separated out into a different airport (Gatwick, Luton and Stansted) leaving at the UK megahub just the flights which truly add to network connectivity. Lelystad seems to be a plan for Amsterdam to have its own equivalent to Luton.
If all the holiday flights and non interlining airlines move to Lelystad and Schiphol is still full, *then* the Dutch have a problem equivalent to Heathrow
In the UK these flights have already been separated out into a different airport (Gatwick, Luton and Stansted) leaving at the UK megahub just the flights which truly add to network connectivity. Lelystad seems to be a plan for Amsterdam to have its own equivalent to Luton.
If all the holiday flights and non interlining airlines move to Lelystad and Schiphol is still full, *then* the Dutch have a problem equivalent to Heathrow
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If LHR can operate an ATC system to accommodate LGW,LTN & STN under its armpit and up its back side, then surely AMS ATC can find a solution to accommodate Lelystad. What is clogging up the issue is all this farm manure about keeping the cows and chickens awake. What the Dutch politics needs is a strong leader who stands up and says this the way it's going to be for the good of the whole country's economics and job creation; and all you tree huggers can **** off. Trouble is that will never happen because there are so many political vested interests who never vote for anyone who told them to shut the **** up and get on with the job. Politics by stagnation. As Churchill said he was," not scared by action but inaction." The idea of Lelystad was gven a green light in 2003 and then cancelled. Here they are 11 years later after nothing.
Let the Dutch have a real forward thinking vision. Build a major expo centre for all the large fares a la NEC at BHX or Palexpo in GVA: build a large conference centre, a suitable hotel, perhaps a theme park, a short motorway link to A6, a high-speed rail link to Amsterdam west and Germany east and south to Eindhoven. There are so many new houses in the region and the people need local jobs. The release of pressure on west Holland for all the ground based businesses and on Schiphol for all the airborne traffic would be significant. That plus the boost in local jobs would be a real injection for long term economic growth for the whole country. The project should be more than just an airport, but that would take the political vision and balls to make such a massive capital investment decision.
Let the Dutch have a real forward thinking vision. Build a major expo centre for all the large fares a la NEC at BHX or Palexpo in GVA: build a large conference centre, a suitable hotel, perhaps a theme park, a short motorway link to A6, a high-speed rail link to Amsterdam west and Germany east and south to Eindhoven. There are so many new houses in the region and the people need local jobs. The release of pressure on west Holland for all the ground based businesses and on Schiphol for all the airborne traffic would be significant. That plus the boost in local jobs would be a real injection for long term economic growth for the whole country. The project should be more than just an airport, but that would take the political vision and balls to make such a massive capital investment decision.