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The prospects for DSA are not wonderful, but I don't think as dire as you make out. You do make several valid points.
However, your occasional over-speculation and your friend at the Free Press who seems unable to file copy do not help your credibility on here.
However, your occasional over-speculation and your friend at the Free Press who seems unable to file copy do not help your credibility on here.
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jc, spot on re his credibility, to quote TW himself, the facts speak for themselves.
He can't even string a coherent sentence together, when he writes as above, 'no new routes are being added apart from the new routes being added by Thomas Cook'. 
Now then, now then, perhaps our Leeds correspondant will be kind enough to advise which cargo movements haven't been planned?
Then I'll pass the message on to my source to check that the organised cargo movements have been planned. We wouldn't want any unplanned organised cargo movements would we. Howz about that then?
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No new routes (barring one or two from Thomas Cook) are being added.
No new routes (barring one or two from Thomas Cook) are being added.
Now then, now then, perhaps our Leeds correspondant will be kind enough to advise which cargo movements haven't been planned?
Then I'll pass the message on to my source to check that the organised cargo movements have been planned. We wouldn't want any unplanned organised cargo movements would we. Howz about that then?
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Howz about that then?
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Interesting earlier comments about two loco carries coming to dsa that allegedly featured in the free press a week or three back so who knows ....
Timmy is simply trolling with none sense stories and so on
Timmy is simply trolling with none sense stories and so on
jc
Thanks for agreeing with my post
Well I was being specific to TW's foot placed on top of foot, and six shooter skills.
Valid points from him? Haven't seen any yet, but then he's only shown a real in depth knowledge of shooting himself in the foot. The only comment I'd be likely to take any notice of would be his reccomendation for a chiropodist ...
Thanks for agreeing with my post
Well I was being specific to TW's foot placed on top of foot, and six shooter skills.
Valid points from him? Haven't seen any yet, but then he's only shown a real in depth knowledge of shooting himself in the foot. The only comment I'd be likely to take any notice of would be his reccomendation for a chiropodist ...
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Now then, now then, perhaps our Leeds correspondant will be kind enough to advise which cargo movements haven't been planned?
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Still waiting for who these mythical two lo co's are
With only one departure on some days during the winter, i'd be if the the airport can be kept going for passengers.
However, I personally believe the owners have no in interest passengers services.
With only one departure on some days during the winter, i'd be if the the airport can be kept going for passengers.
However, I personally believe the owners have no in interest passengers services.
TW
You'd be what? Unable to string a coherent sentence together?
I'd get your mate from Doncaster Free Press to proof read your postings mate before you submit them. Mind you with his reliability theres no guarantee of any improvement ...
So just remind us when Wizz start at Manchester?
With only one departure on some days during the winter, i'd be if the the airport can be kept going for passengers
You'd be what? Unable to string a coherent sentence together?
I'd get your mate from Doncaster Free Press to proof read your postings mate before you submit them. Mind you with his reliability theres no guarantee of any improvement ...
So just remind us when Wizz start at Manchester?
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The Wizz rumor has been doing the rounds on here for a long time.
Fact remains, the airport cannot be commercially viable with only one departure on some days during the winter.
I still want the other poster to clarify who these two supposed lo co's are. Because I can assure you, they don't exist. There isn't a slight bit of interest from any lo co in operating out of DSA.
Fact remains, the airport cannot be commercially viable with only one departure on some days during the winter.
I still want the other poster to clarify who these two supposed lo co's are. Because I can assure you, they don't exist. There isn't a slight bit of interest from any lo co in operating out of DSA.
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Why are you so obsessed about traffic volumes on one day. Any airport will base performance on 12 months, which will include seasonal peaks and troughs. UK regional flying is a seasonal business - always has been and always will be.
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And the yearly figure is one of decline. And probably further decline next year based on flights currently available.
Could quite easily be looking at another Teeside in a few years.
Could quite easily be looking at another Teeside in a few years.
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I agree with you that the decline is alarming and disappointing and that on one day at least in the week there is very little movement which must have financial implications for the management. It is difficult to see other operators coming on the scene in the near future, just looking at the track record of DSA over the last few years will not help either.
Bye the way your coherent and balanced comments are appreciated.
I agree with you that the decline is alarming and disappointing and that on one day at least in the week there is very little movement which must have financial implications for the management. It is difficult to see other operators coming on the scene in the near future, just looking at the track record of DSA over the last few years will not help either.
Bye the way your coherent and balanced comments are appreciated.
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It's is a rough time for most uk airports, pax figures are down at almost every airport. DSA has a low forecast winter 2012/13 but summer is looking good, better than this year so in a sense evens it's self out.
its a tough market but with the new link road things will only look more attractive for the airport.
its a tough market but with the new link road things will only look more attractive for the airport.
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Only time will tell , The link road may well make dsa a bigger cargo centre than civil.
Wednesday was quiet last winter , But put this in perspective totally not involving the uk airport scene but a neighbour has a son who lives and works in Germany ,He wanted to fly to one of the Greek islands from his local regional airport and couldn't get a ticket , he was told the reason was that the island pretty much closes down in winter and its usually busy airport didn't have ANY international flights !. So yes we can expect DSA to be quiet .
However your concerns are valid but maybe you should take up the idea I raised and write a decent open letter to their management and ask what they plan to do about it !.
Wednesday was quiet last winter , But put this in perspective totally not involving the uk airport scene but a neighbour has a son who lives and works in Germany ,He wanted to fly to one of the Greek islands from his local regional airport and couldn't get a ticket , he was told the reason was that the island pretty much closes down in winter and its usually busy airport didn't have ANY international flights !. So yes we can expect DSA to be quiet .
However your concerns are valid but maybe you should take up the idea I raised and write a decent open letter to their management and ask what they plan to do about it !.
onyx - as a very general guess, comparing a regional airport in Germany with an island airport in Greece is not an equal comparison. One airport is a major exporter of people going away for 2 weeks in the sun, while the other imports people visiting for 2 weeks of sunshine. Despite the efforts of the tourist board, Germany remains a significant net spender on tourism rather than being a recipient of funds.
The average Greek island relies on good weather and depends very heavily on summer tourists to make enough money to cover the winter when there is little work and few jobs. The average Greek beach in January just isn't that appealing.
The average regional German airport, e.g. Bremen or Leipzig, is close to a city whose economy is active throughout the year and predominantly weather independent, much like the economy of Sheffield or Doncaster.
For DSA to be credible and demonstrate that it's useful to the local and UK economy and not just a way of helping people spend their money in a different country, there should be some non-beach flights (e.g. Wizzair) all year round
The average Greek island relies on good weather and depends very heavily on summer tourists to make enough money to cover the winter when there is little work and few jobs. The average Greek beach in January just isn't that appealing.
The average regional German airport, e.g. Bremen or Leipzig, is close to a city whose economy is active throughout the year and predominantly weather independent, much like the economy of Sheffield or Doncaster.
For DSA to be credible and demonstrate that it's useful to the local and UK economy and not just a way of helping people spend their money in a different country, there should be some non-beach flights (e.g. Wizzair) all year round
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Nothing showing for Wizz or Ryanair for next summer as yet.
Wizz's schedule is down on last winter, and Ryanair operate one route last winter but nothing this year.
I want the airport to succeed as much as everyone else, but people need to be realistic. The hope for any new routes or carriers is a pipe dream, link road or not,
Wizz's schedule is down on last winter, and Ryanair operate one route last winter but nothing this year.
I want the airport to succeed as much as everyone else, but people need to be realistic. The hope for any new routes or carriers is a pipe dream, link road or not,
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Holiday Extras Customer Awards
Category 2012
Best Airport
Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield named best airport!
It takes a bit more than duty free and gaudy souvenirs to keep passengers happy these days, and with international airports such as Singapore Changi and South Korea's Incheon raising the bar all the time, how do our homegrown hubs compare?
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Our trusty HolidayExtras.com globetrotters know what makes a good departure airport, and when rating their home airports they will no doubt be looking at facilities including shops, bars, restaurants and WiFi, as well as cleanliness, comfort and customer service.
The following key factors can also make the difference between loving and loathing for a UK airport: location, public transport links, signage, length of security and immigration procedures, and walking distance to the gates.
More than 60,000 customers voted in the Holiday Extras Customers' Awards 2011, with Belfast International picking up the award for best airport in the UK for the second time.
The 2012 best airport shortlist
Birmingham Airport
Exeter Airport
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Newcastle Airport
Robin Hood Doncaster Airport
Best Airport
Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield named best airport!
It takes a bit more than duty free and gaudy souvenirs to keep passengers happy these days, and with international airports such as Singapore Changi and South Korea's Incheon raising the bar all the time, how do our homegrown hubs compare?
The best airports in the world offer top notch customer service and facilities in award-winning buildings, featuring anything from fine dining restaurants, live music and casinos to spas, relaxing gardens and comfy napping spots.
Our trusty HolidayExtras.com globetrotters know what makes a good departure airport, and when rating their home airports they will no doubt be looking at facilities including shops, bars, restaurants and WiFi, as well as cleanliness, comfort and customer service.
The following key factors can also make the difference between loving and loathing for a UK airport: location, public transport links, signage, length of security and immigration procedures, and walking distance to the gates.
More than 60,000 customers voted in the Holiday Extras Customers' Awards 2011, with Belfast International picking up the award for best airport in the UK for the second time.
The 2012 best airport shortlist
Birmingham Airport
Exeter Airport
Glasgow International Airport
Newcastle Airport
Robin Hood Doncaster Airport
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Timmy:
Both Girona and Jersey have been loaded into booking systems so far for Summer 2013. Any more 'predictions'?
Next summer will see less passengers than this in all likeyhood as it doesn't seem FlyBe or Ryanair will be returning with any flights.