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I've got a friend at uni in Rotterdam who I've been promising to visit.
This seems like quite a fun way to get there for 35E, will book on credit card so not much at risk!
This seems like quite a fun way to get there for 35E, will book on credit card so not much at risk!
Kon Tiki Travel certainly exists as a well established travel provider and it's true that a B735 has carried their colours, but that is a long way from being a scheduled carrier with a substantial route network. The latter is certainly what the Kon Tiki Sky website claims it to be.
Until I can find details of exactly who the AOC holder is and what the fleet actually comprises with the identities of the aircraft to be used I shall remain sceptical. An hour's search on the web comes up with precious little on that score. It would need a very large capital outlay to establish the routes planned to commence 1 May 2012, plus an equally large measure of confidence that they can be successfully marketed and sold in the present economic climate. As they seem to be establishing a base at ANR you would expect that airport's website to have news of it; but it doesn't.
I wish them well as I do all start-up operations - unfortunately the vast majority of those never even get off the ground as we all know.
Until I can find details of exactly who the AOC holder is and what the fleet actually comprises with the identities of the aircraft to be used I shall remain sceptical. An hour's search on the web comes up with precious little on that score. It would need a very large capital outlay to establish the routes planned to commence 1 May 2012, plus an equally large measure of confidence that they can be successfully marketed and sold in the present economic climate. As they seem to be establishing a base at ANR you would expect that airport's website to have news of it; but it doesn't.
I wish them well as I do all start-up operations - unfortunately the vast majority of those never even get off the ground as we all know.
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Macedonia/Belgium/Macedonia is a long way in a slow BAe146 ... Why Antwerp and in a rarity such as a 146, why not Brussels, Ostend, Liege, Rotterdam or wherever in something like a cheap and cheerful MD80 series, a B737 Classic or whatever?
It seems that Kon Tiki are trying to be smartasses creating a route that, literally, only one type of aircraft can operate and an aircraft type that has been out of production for some 10+ years.
It seems that Kon Tiki are trying to be smartasses creating a route that, literally, only one type of aircraft can operate and an aircraft type that has been out of production for some 10+ years.
The Antwerp base reference on the Kon Tiki Sky website seems to have been removed this morning and no flights are now bookable from there. All the previous departure points seem to remain listed on the drop down menu, but no destinations are available from most of them.
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City Flyer Express made a living out of operating ATR's on the LGW/ANR/LGW route, these days F50's make a living on ANR/UK/ANR routes, the Belgium & UK public have never heard of some Macedonian outfit with a silly sounding name so how the hell would they expect to fill BAe146's on route(s) that others only dare to operate turboprops on?
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CityFlyer's LGW/ANR/LGW was killed by the Tunnel (and VLM into LCY didn't help much, either as they were able to deliver the diamond trader market direct to Hatton Garden).
May I wish the reborn Southend and all who work there or are associated with it great success for the future - its refreshing to see something actually done in the industry rather than just the usual talk.
May I wish the reborn Southend and all who work there or are associated with it great success for the future - its refreshing to see something actually done in the industry rather than just the usual talk.
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The whole set-up seems very fishy. Pretty sound evidence suggests the people behind Kontikisky.com are convicted fraudsters who have tried to pull such stunts in the past and are most likely not connected with the 'real' Kon Tiki Sky.
For a start, I can't see how they'd operate a 737-500 from ANR on such long routes. I doubt you'd get a meaningful load even in the winter let alone summer.
For a start, I can't see how they'd operate a 737-500 from ANR on such long routes. I doubt you'd get a meaningful load even in the winter let alone summer.
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The whole set-up seems very fishy. Pretty sound evidence suggests the people behind Kontikisky.com are convicted fraudsters who have tried to pull such stunts in the past and are most likely not connected with the 'real' Kon Tiki Sky.
For a start, I can't see how they'd operate a 737-500 from ANR on such long routes. I doubt you'd get a meaningful load even in the winter let alone summer.
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This gets more crazy by the minute. Their website now says that they won't be opening a base at ANR after all BUT "are proud to announce the opening of their new base at London/Southend airport".
You couldn't really make this up could you?
You couldn't really make this up could you?
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Luchtzak Aviation • View topic - Kon Tiki Sky starting flights from Antwerp?
they are sceptical here too..
Though there is a link from the .mk page to the .com site, top right corner.
they are sceptical here too..
This is my confusion also. I know of Kon Tiki Sky / Kon Tiki Travel rather well but their domain is a .mk - the .com threw me a little and is where the BAE 146 info is coming from.
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Kon Tiki Sky Scam
This is really stupid - only in the past few hours has Antwerp been replaced as their 'new base' by London Southend. Something is definately wrong here. Heres the man behind it - hes done it many times before!!
jetsSky.com will face lawsuit
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New European start-up airline, jetsSky.com, willl face a law suit by the National Dutch consumer watch dog (the consumentenbond) if jetsSky continues to sell 'ghost' flights on its web-site.
See following link (unfortunately in Dutch) http://reiskrant.nl/reiskrant2/reisn...cle7541121.ece
The so-called 'airline' has called off the start of flights from AMS as of February 1st and now insists it will start operations as of March 28, however it continues to sell flights as of February 1st.
jetsSky.com is headed by Harry van Achteren, a business man who has left a trail of financial mismanagement and bankruptcies.
News on jetsSky in the Dutch media has been negative to say the least and consumers are being warned. Articles in national newspapers and now coverage on television coupled with a potential lawsuit by the National Consumer watch dog show the seriousness of the allegations of selling 'ghost' flights as a potenial scam.
See a previous thread on PPRuNe aswell:
[URL=http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116164][URL]
(original thread from February 21st)
that should be January 21 st off course!!
jetsSky.com will face lawsuit
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New European start-up airline, jetsSky.com, willl face a law suit by the National Dutch consumer watch dog (the consumentenbond) if jetsSky continues to sell 'ghost' flights on its web-site.
See following link (unfortunately in Dutch) http://reiskrant.nl/reiskrant2/reisn...cle7541121.ece
The so-called 'airline' has called off the start of flights from AMS as of February 1st and now insists it will start operations as of March 28, however it continues to sell flights as of February 1st.
jetsSky.com is headed by Harry van Achteren, a business man who has left a trail of financial mismanagement and bankruptcies.
News on jetsSky in the Dutch media has been negative to say the least and consumers are being warned. Articles in national newspapers and now coverage on television coupled with a potential lawsuit by the National Consumer watch dog show the seriousness of the allegations of selling 'ghost' flights as a potenial scam.
See a previous thread on PPRuNe aswell:
[URL=http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116164][URL]
(original thread from February 21st)
that should be January 21 st off course!!
One might have thought that the link from the kontiki.mk website to kontikisky.com would have established the latter's bona fide credentials. But has anyone else noticed the anomaly that whereas the .mk site is Macedonian language, kontikisky.com is only in English. That seems strange for a website that purports to sell flights originating in Constanta, Bucharest, Skopje, many of which are internal to the Balkan countries .
If there is a genuine attempt by the parent travel company to move into western European LCC operations, the current publicity can only be very damaging. Equally if there is malpractice as some are alleging this needs to be identified stopped and brought to the attention of the appropriate authorities.
It is easy to speculate on the sudden transfer of main base, supposedly for scheduling reasons, from ANR to SEN. I shall be very cautious in what I choose to say in a public forum until there is more hard evidence. A statement by SEN management could be very helpful in providing clarity.
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If there is a genuine attempt by the parent travel company to move into western European LCC operations, the current publicity can only be very damaging. Equally if there is malpractice as some are alleging this needs to be identified stopped and brought to the attention of the appropriate authorities.
It is easy to speculate on the sudden transfer of main base, supposedly for scheduling reasons, from ANR to SEN. I shall be very cautious in what I choose to say in a public forum until there is more hard evidence. A statement by SEN management could be very helpful in providing clarity.
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100% fraud
The selling of airline tickets for flights operated by Kon Tiki Sky are 100 % fraud! As discovered by the thread on luchtzak.be
Luchtzak Aviation • View topic - Kon Tiki Sky starting flights from Antwerp?
1. the domain kontikisky.com is owned by someone called E van Achteren. The same name is reported in several newspapers as somone who did fraud on container business and startup airlines. Lots of financial drama.
2. the company which is owner of the domain is Sobel Group NV. This was also used for another fake airline intending to start at Antwerp.
3. The routes from Antwerp are very strange/not logical.
4. The airline operating the routes from Antwerp is not very logical
5. The airline intended to use Antwerp but this weekend they announced on the website the flights will not operate. This the fraud people find out about the bad press?
6. It might not even possible to operate a 100% full aircraft from Antwerp.
7. Fares are too good to be true
8. website looks very amaturistic
9. is all smells fraud
A bit weird there is a link on konti.mk . Probably the travel acency either does not realise it is a fraud or they are part of the fraud (not sure is KonTiki is profitable).
Luchtzak Aviation • View topic - Kon Tiki Sky starting flights from Antwerp?
1. the domain kontikisky.com is owned by someone called E van Achteren. The same name is reported in several newspapers as somone who did fraud on container business and startup airlines. Lots of financial drama.
2. the company which is owner of the domain is Sobel Group NV. This was also used for another fake airline intending to start at Antwerp.
3. The routes from Antwerp are very strange/not logical.
4. The airline operating the routes from Antwerp is not very logical
5. The airline intended to use Antwerp but this weekend they announced on the website the flights will not operate. This the fraud people find out about the bad press?
6. It might not even possible to operate a 100% full aircraft from Antwerp.
7. Fares are too good to be true
8. website looks very amaturistic
9. is all smells fraud
A bit weird there is a link on konti.mk . Probably the travel acency either does not realise it is a fraud or they are part of the fraud (not sure is KonTiki is profitable).