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Old 12th Jun 2012, 18:17
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Surely tour operators are not silly enough (over the past 20 years) to be ignoring the simple philosophy of supply and demand ?
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Surely tour operators are not silly enough (over the past 20 years) to be ignoring the simple philosophy of supply and demand ?
Supply and demand from airports monopoly owned? It was obvious which central Scotland airport tour operators and their fleets were steered toward.
Hopefully EDI can now compete under new ownership.
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Joe - I can tell you know that there was no active prioritisation of charter business to GLA, schedules to EDI under BAA ownership. The charges and deals were similar at both. The fact that GLA has 6 x based charter aircraft versus 1 x EDI (and both have strong LCC presence with easyJet and now Jet2 at both, Ryanair at EDI) is driven by demand and yields, not airport pricing.
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not airport pricing.
Pricing does not come into it, an owner of two Central Scotland airports can
say yes or no or highlight suitable stabling and infrastructure that would influence tour operators decisions. Surely 40 miles of the M8 would offer
identical opportunities, the monopoly owner could influence any of the above. Thankfully separate ownerships will ensure both central Scotland airports can now compete on a level playing field.
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oh no, here we go again. Doesn't this get embarrassing?
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Old 12th Jun 2012, 21:21
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Doesn't this get embarrassing?
For whom?..
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Old 12th Jun 2012, 21:41
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Supply and demand from airports monopoly owned? It was obvious which central Scotland airport tour operators and their fleets were steered toward. Hopefully EDI can now compete under new ownership.
It was also obvious which airport got all the legacy European carriers with proper connections whereas GLA struggled to keep hold of easyJet. Do you see Air France, SN Brussels, Lufthansa or Swiss at Glasgow?
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It was also obvious which airport got all the legacy European carriers with proper connections whereas GLA struggled to keep hold of easyJet. Do you see Air France, SN Brussels, Lufthansa or Swiss at Glasgow?
Exactly my point... The competition Commission were correct to enforce the sale of one central Scotland airport.
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So fast forward five years and you'll see no real difference in the number of charter airlines at Edinburgh and the number of legacy carriers at Glasgow. They went were the demand for their respective services can best be found, irrespective of the airport owner. The type of behaviour you're inferring went out 10 or 15 years ago - it certainly hasn't been a feature of latter-day BAA activity.
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I thought this was the 'Monarch' thread.
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The type of behaviour you're inferring went out 10 or 15 years ago
Monarch might test the water - along with the tour operators - under GIP's
'watch'...
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How about Monarch taking some of the First Choice 767's, on jethros website it says they are to be withdrawn from use winter 12/13, plus some of their 757's are to be as well.
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Grrr

Monarch moving out of long-haul, thus the cancellation of the B787 orders. A330 x2 will operate for a good while though.
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Old 17th Jun 2012, 17:07
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When is the penny going to drop, Monarch are finished with wide body a/c, the A330s are only going to be around until a final decision is made on long haul operations.
Wide body does not fit into Monarch Scheduled operation, yes they are handy for the summer, but useless in the winter months.
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Maybe a short lease would be handy. Monarch aren't going to get any brand new aircraft anytime soon.
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Would not be surprised if MON hang onto the 330,s hear they may be coming in very handy later this year as they did over the winter.
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New aircraft any time soon?
When does your any time soon run out?
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Fleet

Maybe not brand new but I certainly hope there will be a couple new to the fleet by the third week in July as BHX needs two more

Are these two aircraft going to be staying or a wet or dry-lease to cover until the end of summer season?

Monarch are certainly making use of the Air Finland Boeing 757, it has operated all weekend at BHX.
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Monarch will not be adding any aircraft to its own fleet until this winter.
However that does not say additional aircraft will not be operating on Monarchs behalf, before then.
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Monarch strengthens leadership team

18 June 2012
The Monarch Group has appointed aviation industry veterans Sir Roy McNulty and Austin Reid as non-executive directors.
Richard Roth also joins the group as director of performance management and turnaround from today [18 June] in support of group finance director Robert Palmer.
Sir Roy is currently deputy chairman of the Olympic Delivery Authority and has been chair of regional development agency Advantage West Midlands since 2009.
He is also a non-executive director of Gatwick. He was executive chairman of National Air Traffic Services from 1999 to 2001 and subsequently chairman of the Civil Aviation Authority from 2001 to 2009.
He was chief executive and chairman of Short Brothers plc, before its takeover by Bombardier.
Reid was ‘one of the architects’ of bmi British Midland, said Monarch in a statement. He served from 1985 as bmi finance director, and was managing director and chief executive from 1995 to 2005.
He is currently a non-executive director of SR Technics, an airline technology business.
Roth has wide management experience in a variety of financial commercial and operation areas including in the last 13 years in the airline industry, with six years at easyJet.
Recently he has been chief financial officer of Royal Jet, the luxury private jet operator based in Abu Dhabi.
Iain Rawlinson, executive chairman of the group, said: ‘These appointments significantly strengthen the governance and leadership team of Monarch, as we continue to modernise the group, execute our turnaround plan and lay the foundations for the next phase of development.
‘We remain on target operationally and financially and are focused on unlocking the value and commercial opportunities from our ownership of strong and established travel brands and supporting businesses.’


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