Monarch - 3

[SCANDIC]

Just dropped in this instant.

[Sharklet_321]

EMA base closure

With the closure of the EMA base for Monarch from March 2015, where is the aircraft to be positioned?

[MKY661]

With the closure of the EMA base for Monarch from March 2015, where is the aircraft to be positioned?

They won't be as 3 A320's and 2 A321's are leaving the fleet

[Sharklet_321]

Thank you MKY661.

So Monarch is pretty much done with expansion until 2018 when the new 737MAX starts arriving?

[MKY661]

Not sure. They may start new ones and drop others in the future

[renort]

Thank you MKY661.

So Monarch is pretty much done with expansion until 2018 when the new 737MAX starts arriving?

Please read the previous few pages.

Expansion (from its Oct 2014 size) will never happen.

737 MAX may or may not be a pipe dream for M, time will tell.

[ZeBedie]

737 MAX may or may not be a pipe dream for M, time will tell.

What are you suggesting - that they take delivery and immediately sell them on the open market for a fat profit?

[qwertyuiop]

ZeBedie,
I think a lot of people were thinking that however having seen how much fuel the "newer aircraft" save added to the crippling EU compensation rules I feel a new fleet is critical. With the long lead times and lack of available aircraft, I see no other option than 73max.

[111KAB]

Given that the first Boeing deliveries are 3 to 4 years away and Swaffield has indicated a return to profit in 2 to 3 years you have to assume that unless Monarch return to a (decent) profit level prior to the first deliveries then it may not happen. Greybull are going to want their 'pound of flesh' and probably have less tolerance that the Swiss but given Greybull are effectively French controlled they will not stick around for ever and whilst they may have the ability to sell slots, MAEL, Cosmos etc any sales will diminish any profit.


So the next 2 to 4 years will be very telling in respect of the Monarch future and their ability to complete the order.

[qwertyuiop]

With the cost of fuel down 15% on the year, and further reductions predicted, the turn around maybe somewhat easier to achieve.
I know things are not quite so straightforward but if you reduce Monarch's 2013/4 fuel bill by 15% and shaft the workforce by another 15%, all of a sudden the situation looks very different.
Add in all the other changes and Grey bull really will be laughing.

[nigel osborne]

111KAB


Looking at what Grey Bull do ,it may well be that they fatten the profitable parts of MON up a bit then sell them off seperately to the highest bidders.

Cosmos, the airline and MAEL ,although the company have not indictated that.

Do we know whats happening at MAEL who I think have to loose over a 100 jobs..shut one of their hangars perhaps or is it still all being reviewed ?

You certainly have to feel for the employees at present

[111KAB]

Fuel savings may be on the horizon but it depends at what levels they (if at all) forward purchased at. Accept that reduction in staff and current salary level reductions may go some way to improving the bottom line however 261/2004 pay outs will probably be similar to Jet2 who estimate £21 million this year and £4 million per annum going forward .... then there is the possible Olympic Court settlement which Olympic are claiming £4.5 million plus costs.


In other words whatever positives there are in terms of costs reductions are more than likely to be at least matched by the downsides.

[rog747]

757's

very sad that Monarch's 757's bow out with no fanfare

Monarch were the first european 757 airline order with delivery in 1983 along with Air Europe and BA examples.
seating was comfortable at 223 pax with decent seats, no one moaned until
235 was squeezed in later!
i was a duty officer for monarch at LGW

the first 3 MON a/c had RR 211 535C engines (same as BA and early AE) and all were refitted in 1985 with E4 engines enabling ETOPS to be considered and eventually adopted for long haul flights.
i flew to MCO via BGR and MLE via BAH several times

Monarch had 31 incident free years with the 757 workhorse and i loved jumpseating on them as the cockpit and windows were nice and big - on staff travel you could always get on as they had spare jump seats

what a shame no one organised an enthusiasts flight - too late now as the a/c are de-mobbed in a hurry it seems!
do not let this happen with Thomson 757's or their 767 please!

so why not organise a Monarch A330 flight?
not quite vintage yet but the end of an era - the big Monarch jets and long haul,
a day trip to Palma or Venice would be nice - who's up for that?

the cruise lines used to use the A330's alot for cruise ship charters from caribbean so who will do this now?

[Facelookbovvered]

111 KAB

Interesting what effect the EU ruling on delayed flight compensation will have on individual airlines. I have long argued that older aircraft are more delay prone and a trend unlike the 787 that will get worse with time. I would guess Jet2 have previously factored in higher maintenance costs offset by lower capital cost as part of their cost equation? this changes the dynamic of the maths in favour of airlines operating newer equipment which is positive for the industry and passenger alike.

[rog747]

whats happened to mon's 787 orders then - edit cancelled 2011

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

Disappearing Flight Experiences - Be Proactive!

Rather than waiting for an enthusiasts' charter which may never happen, why not search for regular flight-only deals featuring those aircraft which interest you before they are withdrawn? I recently bought a MAN-PMI seat for around GBP50 on a MON A332 rotation for exactly that reason. G-SMAN did the honours on the day. I flew back aboard a CFG B753 also at a very reasonable price. Nice Mallorca short break included. The [Summer] PMI programme has now finished, but the A332 may yet feature on seasonal ski runs to the likes of GVA or Winter Sun Canaries flights … maybe worth checking out?

Monarch Airlines are constantly advertising seat-sales and deals. Sign up for their marketing e.mails. If you can fly on an off-peak day it is easily possible to match or beat the price of recent farewell charters. For example, the recent A306 farewell charter LGW-BHX represented not just a fare for me, but also link travel costs from MAN to LGW/BHX and a hotel night. Far better value to just target a regular flight at an off-peak fare and enjoy a little break away as well.

Think about other 'endangered' aircraft which interest you, and actively link them in with travel arrangements and short breaks which you will enjoy anyway. I always consider the airline / aircraft types available as an integral part of the planning process when booking travel. Do this routinely and you will rarely have to lament missing out on an old favourite. And you can amass quite a varied selection of types and carriers to look back upon representing breaks you would have taken anyway.

Enjoy your trip(s)!

[crewmeal]

Good point Shed but my view is if Bangladesh Biman can organise a long weekend of enthusiast flights on a DC-10, it's a shame that MON couldn't organise one flight on similar lines to the A306 from LGW to BHX. Look at the world wide publicity BG got from that DC-10 flight with enthusiasts from all over the world travelling. OK so the 757 isn't quite extinct just yet especially as US carriers showing no sign of retiring their fleets, but a MON 75 is part of UK aviation history and it's not as though any of the fleet are going to a museum.

I suppose in time you might even get a part of a recycled 757 in the form of a new iPad

[Say again s l o w l y]

I'm going to be blunt, whilst most of us will miss the 75's, given what has been happening recently, then putting on a spotter flight is hardly top of the priority list.

757's are wonderful aircraft, but hardly rare.

[davidjohnson6]

For those who wish to discuss aircraft types disappearing from European skies, I've starteda thread in the Spectators Balcony. The aim of the new thread is to list which passenger airlines in Europe fly which rare types at modest ticket prices,. Those keen to bag a particular type will hopefully have ample opportunity to do so before they're gone, without having to rely on Monarch or other carriers running enthusiasts' specials.

http://www.pprune.org/spectators-bal...aft-types.html

[rog747]

it doesn't have to be the onus on the airline to organise a special flight -

anyone can approach and arrange a private charter - ie: that's what Ian Allan do and others also

if someone can be bothered to drum up the impetus (like the successful Biman and KLM MD11 recent last flights) then dont see why Monarch is excluded

too late for the MON 757 - and yes it was a historical aircraft for british aviation but the A330 of theirs is an icon too
last big jet and last long haul services for the airline which commenced using big jets with the 720B looong ago

its up to someone and just do it and start it rolling