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Old 14th Jun 2014, 09:16
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Yeah but just for your information, I also hear Ryanair have actually tendered. Reliable source and all that. We'll see how reliable when it's published.
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Old 14th Jun 2014, 09:21
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Interesting if Ryanair did, but flybe have probably got it from LCY which could well win them it in my opinion
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Old 14th Jun 2014, 09:34
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But LCY is useless for international, particularly long haul, connections, LGW or LTN are the airport(s) that offer the best all-round solution, PDQ trains in to London or National Express to/from LHR.

But FlyBE's equipment is too large for the route, and it is likely that it shall always be too large for the route, and I would suggest that it inappropriate to offer a subsidy to an operator that is never likely to break in to profit on a route either because the route and/or the equipment are wrong.

And as for Ryanair, if the quoted 20 seat subsidy is correct, well that's going to be hilarious, particularly during the winters, I bet the council tax payers of Cornwall are really welcoming the though of their council tax subjecting them to gawdy cabins, stale sandwiches and warm beer!
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Old 14th Jun 2014, 09:36
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Does anyone have a real idea of who's tendering ?

Flybe
Ryanscare
Eastern ?
Easy ?
BA ?


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Old 14th Jun 2014, 10:09
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True Phileas that is where LCY falls down with its lack of onward connections
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Old 14th Jun 2014, 10:43
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Are long haul connections via LON that important anymore? Doesn't the MAN route offer that?

LCY is actually quite useful from the Cornish perspective, and could connect to an array of major European business centres and some leisure destinations. Though it perhaps doesn't maximise the inbound potential to Cornwall, so depends what the objectives of the local authorities are.

If course, a FR is is 1/3 full would probably being in far more tourists than the other options
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Old 14th Jun 2014, 10:49
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Are long haul connections via LON that important anymore?
To the people of Cornwall, YES!

Doesn't the MAN route offer that?
Is the MAN route morning and evening, and perhaps middle of the day also, five and two half days per week?
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Old 14th Jun 2014, 11:56
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The PSO appears to be for a link to London not to a hub airport for international links, so wouldn't expect that aspect to be taken into consideration (and depending on the terms, may not be considered)
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Old 14th Jun 2014, 12:12
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The PSO appears to be for a link to London not to a hub airport for international links, so wouldn't expect that aspect to be taken into consideration (and depending on the terms, may not be considered)
Yes, but wouldn't the fares to/from LCY be that much higher simply because LCY charges "business class" charges?

FlyBE had already announced they were pulling off the LGW route when CCC persuaded them to change their minds, at a time when FlyBE were in deep financial "doggy do" perhaps, just perhaps, a PSO deal has already been done and if it is to be to LCY then I guess the people of Cornwall will vote with their credit card details and might just decide to take the car or the train instead.


CCC need to realise that they are not in charge on this one, the traveling public are!
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Old 14th Jun 2014, 12:32
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I'm not familiar with the PSO process, but if it's anything like the similar processes I do know, the PSO contract will have strict criteria to judge the applicants - and only those criteria can be considered, whether or not they are what the travelling public want.
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Old 14th Jun 2014, 12:44
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I'm not familiar with the PSO process, but if it's anything like the similar processes I do know, the PSO contract will have strict criteria to judge the applicants - and only those criteria can be considered, whether or not they are what the travelling public want.
It's quite amusing, sometimes, the way the modern world works, never mind what the traveling public might actually want, never mind perhaps putting it to a public vote, "let's have a bunch of overpaid eggheads sitting in a back room someplace deciding how much public money we can waste this time".

The more I hear the more I know I made the right decision to get out of it and semi-retire to an island in the middle of nowhere.
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Old 14th Jun 2014, 14:36
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Lets be hobest here, if you live in Cornwall and want to travel around the world a airline to LHR with onward connections would be ideal, to anyone living in wherever wanting to travel to Cornwall, a flight from LHR is ideal.

Now to offer the ideal you can only really look at BA/VS/EI.

However, that's an ideal world scenario.

Reality as it is, you might well find Ryanair winning the bidding process and operating to London Liverpool.

As far as Manchester goes, yes I can see more flights being added to that route, it's already being Maintained at daily during winter 14/15 which is the first time BE have done this, however to offer this up as a decent alternative you have got to be looking at the SZ days of 2 or 3 daily to really make it viable.

Also I seriously think that an opportunity exists for EI to step into DUB-NQY, with the onward connections available on EI ex dub which could well make that route viable again.


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Old 14th Jun 2014, 15:02
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Lets be hobest here
Thanks for being hobest with us Simon
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Old 14th Jun 2014, 20:25
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I am flying out of Heathrow next week, flying NQY/LHR with Hertz and when I come back in August my return is with Avis......
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Old 14th Jun 2014, 23:31
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cant see it being BA with no mainline PSO contracts, no slots (at LHR anyway) and few spare aircraft rotations, just look at the domestic W14 cancellations
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Old 15th Jun 2014, 00:50
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As far as Manchester goes, yes I can see more flights being added to that route, it's already being Maintained at daily during winter 14/15 which is the first time BE have done this, however to offer this up as a decent alternative you have got to be looking at the SZ days of 2 or 3 daily to really make it viable.
Simon,

You're kind of supporting what I and others keep saying, you talk of MAN in words to the effect, that if MAN is going to be a viable alternate to connections via LON, then "we" need to go back to the Air SouthWest days and ASW just happened to operate 50 seater aircraft.

Before ASW there was BA with 50 seaters, before BA there was Brymon with 50 seaters, before Brymon there was BMA with 50 seaters and before BMA there were the likes of Islanders operating the route.

The Q400 is too large an aircraft for the NQY catchment area and as for A319's and B737-800's, well really.

Need 50 seater or less operations to offer a higher frequency of flights but no doubt CCC will go and make a pig's ear of it again.
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Old 18th Jun 2014, 15:37
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BBC News - Newquay Airport passengers rise as storms hit rail use

"Newquay Airport saw its passenger numbers boosted by the storms of early 2014 which cut Cornwall off to rail users for weeks.


In the first five months of 2014, there were 79,000 passengers - a 28% rise compared with the same period in 2013.


The railway line at Dawlish in Devon was out of action from February to April after storms wrecked the track.


Newquay Airport received a government grant to give a 5 reduction per person per flight during the disruption."


interesting - that works out at approx 1000 extra passengers per week - which presumably is number of people who currently use the train but who MUST travel relatively quickly to/from London
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 11:06
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Have I missed something??

The Flybe online timetable is now showing NQY-LGW flights up to 6th Jan 2015.
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 11:14
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I also noticed this but decided not to post the info.

Seems to be scheduled for 3 daily until 6th jan ?

Also on the subject of flybe and NQY, the MAN numbers seem very good, upto 4000 carried in May on the route. Is it beyond the realms of possibility that the route could go 2 daily for summer 15 ?



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Old 30th Aug 2014, 22:42
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According to this:
Airlines invited to bid for Newquay to London air link | Newquay Cornwall Airport
The PSO winning bidder should of been announced by the end of August !

I take it nobody has heard anything ?

Does anyone have any ideas what's occurring or any suggestions how this is likely to turn out ?


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