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Probably emphasises the need for just one belfast airport , especially after news of the 500,000 pax who go to Dublin !!
While I would be a firm supporter of one airport for Belfast, I am not going to even go there as regards which one as some get far to emotional about it and the thread becomes boring.!
However, in terms of related to pax going to Dublin, I think we need to be realistic, there is a whole host of destinations that we simply dont have and Dublin does, and hence it is not just about being competitive its about the range of destinations, and again we have a small local population, a much smaller inbound tourism than DUB has. So we need to keep focusing on sustainable routes and not get too hung up on trying to capture that people going down to Dublin.
In addition, I referred to before, at least a quarter of the NI population (and equally all people in the border counties, Donegal, Cavan, Louth etc. find Belfast a suitable alternative to Dublin, whats the stats for them going to Belfast?) will find DUB more convenient or just as convenient as Belfast. Hence we again need to be realistic about what we can capture of that 500,000 people.
The international traffic stats dont make for awful reading, in a period of recession, year on year, we had a total decline from Belfast Airport on these routes of almost 24k people, that about 3%. Dublin in % terms not far away from that, so much for the 500k pax that are attracting. So that would suggest to me it is not a new phenonomen its always been on that scale, and if anything over the last decade we have been developing more scheduled routes and hence can provide better offer to the customer.
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Before the recession hit the numbers of people flying from Dublin was much higher it was 1.6 million at one time and six hundred thousand of those was flying to America the data was given to Bfs when Aerlingus came to belfast.
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So yet another positive announcement from BHD in the form of KLM.
What are BFS management doing up there ?
Have they all retired or something ?
Answers on a postcard please.
What are BFS management doing up there ?
Have they all retired or something ?
Answers on a postcard please.
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Have to agree. Are they waiting on a golden handshake before retirement?
BHD have had FR, WW, EI and now KLM. BFS have had...................?
OK LS has jumped on the canaries route and also Salzburg, but what is needed are new airlines
On the AMS route, is it going to be similar to WW in that EZY will increase frequency? How many pax will actually transfer? Will BA and EI on LHR be losing connecting pax?
Personally I would rather see NEW routes rather than duplicated ones
BHD have had FR, WW, EI and now KLM. BFS have had...................?
OK LS has jumped on the canaries route and also Salzburg, but what is needed are new airlines
On the AMS route, is it going to be similar to WW in that EZY will increase frequency? How many pax will actually transfer? Will BA and EI on LHR be losing connecting pax?
Personally I would rather see NEW routes rather than duplicated ones
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Seems to be good at BFS, BHD seems to have had a drop in numbers on few routes. And a a few drops in passengers in the international routes from BFS!
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Hey True Blue,
Probably no commentary as they were not published!!!
Gazmo,
I can't see easyJet going more than the current frequency with daily plus extra rotation on Mon and Fri.
KLM usually have v competitive fares on long haul and they will compete for their share of the transfer pax that easyJet cannot catch by increasing frequency. If KL can get the schedule right along the lines of what I have said before
This could be a valuable relationship for BHD, with linkages to Transavia, could they at some point be lured to Belfast for a sun route or 2? Seems quite unlikely, though we saw over the last 2 years with EI and WW, the seer lack of a 'right fit' airline for BHD to Europe routes.
Outside of EI there are not a lot of options, from where I can see!
EI-BUD
Probably no commentary as they were not published!!!
On the AMS route, is it going to be similar to WW in that EZY will increase
frequency? How many pax will actually transfer? Will BA and EI on LHR be losing
connecting pax?
frequency? How many pax will actually transfer? Will BA and EI on LHR be losing
connecting pax?
I can't see easyJet going more than the current frequency with daily plus extra rotation on Mon and Fri.
KLM usually have v competitive fares on long haul and they will compete for their share of the transfer pax that easyJet cannot catch by increasing frequency. If KL can get the schedule right along the lines of what I have said before
- night stop Sun-Thur to offer Mon-Fri business flight BHD AMS,
- flights back (AMS BFS) on sun- fri, with the fri evening from AMS going straight back out (being attractive to leisure passenger)
- An additional flight on Sun from AMS to BHD and then straight back, so in effect 2 Sunday AMS BHD p.m.
- Good solution for Belfast based business travellers and long haul traffic connecting.
This could be a valuable relationship for BHD, with linkages to Transavia, could they at some point be lured to Belfast for a sun route or 2? Seems quite unlikely, though we saw over the last 2 years with EI and WW, the seer lack of a 'right fit' airline for BHD to Europe routes.
Outside of EI there are not a lot of options, from where I can see!
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Well I have to say the stats are much better for Bfs than Bhd. Bfs down 0.10% after the loss of EI, BHD still down 2.7% even after the gain of EI. Ezy holds its own on Lgw, there is about 28k extra seats to Lgw from Bhd, but only about 12k extra pax. Strong possibility that both carriers there now losing money on the route. Combined pax numbers to Lhr down about 4500 pax against the totals from the 2 airports last year. From that you might deduce that not all who would have used Lhr from Bfs have transferred to Bhd. Result, lower load factors. I would be surprised if any of the carriers out of Bhd to London are making money. But I keep forgetting, fares are higher out of Bhd because over 60% of pax prefer to use that airport. Silly me.
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Looking at the BFS annoucement on their Web that BFS had 7.5% increase in last three years and
"We expect current growth trends to continue throughout 2013. We will continue to work closely with local government departments to promote the business case for these vital links in our discussions with existing and potential airline partners.”
Can anybody see where the increase is coming from?
"We expect current growth trends to continue throughout 2013. We will continue to work closely with local government departments to promote the business case for these vital links in our discussions with existing and potential airline partners.”
Can anybody see where the increase is coming from?
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That would be about correct 
2011- 4,016,170
2012- 4,103,620
2013- 4,532,086
Unless im wrong
I also see they say ''Our key targets remain securing services to Canada and Asia, as well as key additional routes into mainland Europe, all pivotal for economic and social development in Northern Ireland.''
But they seem to of said this for the past year or so,
So who knows. 
2011- 4,016,170
2012- 4,103,620
2013- 4,532,086
Unless im wrong
I also see they say ''Our key targets remain securing services to Canada and Asia, as well as key additional routes into mainland Europe, all pivotal for economic and social development in Northern Ireland.''
But they seem to of said this for the past year or so,
So who knows.
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BIAL One of Best Performing Airports in UK
Belfast International Airport was the second best performing airport in the United Kingdom during 2012, according to new passenger figures released by the Civil Aviation Authority.
The airport chalked up a five per cent passenger increase – 215,000 in real terms – during the year, pipped only by Aberdeen (eight per cent), but ahead of Manchester with a 4.5 per cent increase. The list of the UK’s top 20 commercial airports also shows Belfast International beating Glasgow and Birmingham during a period of unremitting economic challenges. Belfast International’s growth – still one million down from the peak of 2008 – would have been even greater if it wasn’t for a "Dublin Airport offensive into the Northern Ireland market, accounting for over one million lost passenger journeys through local airports," says BIAL.
BIAL's Business Development Director Uel Hoey, said: "Despite challenging conditions in the aviation sector and the wider economy, Belfast International Airport has demonstrated strong growth, in excess of 7.5 per cent over the last three years.
"Our key targets remain securing services to Canada and Asia, as well as key additional routes into mainland Europe, all pivotal for economic and social development in Northern Ireland. We expect current growth trends to continue throughout 2013."
Belfast International Airport was the second best performing airport in the United Kingdom during 2012, according to new passenger figures released by the Civil Aviation Authority.
The airport chalked up a five per cent passenger increase – 215,000 in real terms – during the year, pipped only by Aberdeen (eight per cent), but ahead of Manchester with a 4.5 per cent increase. The list of the UK’s top 20 commercial airports also shows Belfast International beating Glasgow and Birmingham during a period of unremitting economic challenges. Belfast International’s growth – still one million down from the peak of 2008 – would have been even greater if it wasn’t for a "Dublin Airport offensive into the Northern Ireland market, accounting for over one million lost passenger journeys through local airports," says BIAL.
BIAL's Business Development Director Uel Hoey, said: "Despite challenging conditions in the aviation sector and the wider economy, Belfast International Airport has demonstrated strong growth, in excess of 7.5 per cent over the last three years.
"Our key targets remain securing services to Canada and Asia, as well as key additional routes into mainland Europe, all pivotal for economic and social development in Northern Ireland. We expect current growth trends to continue throughout 2013."
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Apart from based A320, we are getting lots of visits from other bases of A320! Within 2hours this evening there were 2 in and out, one left just ahead of my flight to ALC.
There was BMI regional embraer on stand beside my flight ref ending bn, anybody know what that visit was for.?
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There was BMI regional embraer on stand beside my flight ref ending bn, anybody know what that visit was for.?
Ei-bud