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CAA Stats
December caa stats are released on Tuesday and although provisional will give the rolling figure for the year. Looks like 4.3 million pax, slightly up on last years 4.1 million pax
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Some bad news!!
I travelled last Wednesday on the 5.00pm to Lgw. It was a 319, heavy load, I would say 80%+. I came back friday evening at 7.00pm from Lgw, a 320, almost 100% full. Little sign on those 2 flights that the much more preferable route with added flights is having much impact on Ezy. What I couldn't understand was, why were all those people on the Ezy flights? Most of them probably wanted to travel to that much more convenient airport, but ended up out in the middle of the fields. How silly were they. After all, we have so many who would love to come to Belfast, but don't because Bfs is to far out, Dublin is closer apparently. I have had the same experience on a number of flights. As an added, the flights which 8 of us took, were previously flown on EI to LHR.
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True blue - When Tuesday caa stats are released I think we will get a better picture of the London market.
From November figures EZY held their own on LGW, and that's before they launched the extra flight to LGW on 10th December
STN and SEN combined was up on previous Nov and LTN just down slightly
Domestically EZY are making inroads on Midlands market and the North West of England as well as minor gains on the two Scottish airports of EDI and GLA
Tuesday will have a few intesting comments
Are news on any new routes!!!!
From November figures EZY held their own on LGW, and that's before they launched the extra flight to LGW on 10th December
STN and SEN combined was up on previous Nov and LTN just down slightly
Domestically EZY are making inroads on Midlands market and the North West of England as well as minor gains on the two Scottish airports of EDI and GLA
Tuesday will have a few intesting comments
Are news on any new routes!!!!
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Jibes aside I can tell you trueblue EZY lost 3% in Dec on LGW, about 1k which isn't huge given the 55%, 12k growth at BHD. The BHD figure was better last month but LHR had 65%, 21k growth. LTN also down 11%, STN not available yet.
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OK, so Bhd to Lgw had an extra 12k pax last month. Against how many extra seats from EI? maybe somewhere in the region of 25k. So where did all these extra pax come from. I bet a lot of them are like the FR pax, they fly if it is cheap enough, result, poor yield. You see, they were not flying last year, so why fly this year? The result is that both EI and Flybe are probably suffering on this route now.
To Lhr, all that has happened is that the traffic that would have gone from Bfs now has to use Bhd, little growth to talk of.
What I would love to see is load factor and yield for all parties concerned ex Bhd. Bet none of them are making much money and EI might be finding that Bhd is not the pot of honey they were led to believe.
Ezy introduced an extra flight from just before Xmas, but with all the extra capacity from Bhd and bearing in mind it is where the majority want to use, we are told, they have maintained their share really well.
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To Lhr, all that has happened is that the traffic that would have gone from Bfs now has to use Bhd, little growth to talk of.
What I would love to see is load factor and yield for all parties concerned ex Bhd. Bet none of them are making much money and EI might be finding that Bhd is not the pot of honey they were led to believe.
Ezy introduced an extra flight from just before Xmas, but with all the extra capacity from Bhd and bearing in mind it is where the majority want to use, we are told, they have maintained their share really well.
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Indeed, some pax will have migrated to BHD, some like you trueblue will have previously used EI and prefer BFS and therefore may well use EZY to LGW instead.
On the yield question I would imagine its far to early for EI to worry, they will expect to loose for some months on a startup route, but being Christmas and fares skyrocket yields do improve. Also bear in mind to protect market share costs money/yield-adding seats on LGW and delivering a small decline will have hit EZY, the main looser I would imagine would be BE. Interesting to see STN figures when available.
On the yield question I would imagine its far to early for EI to worry, they will expect to loose for some months on a startup route, but being Christmas and fares skyrocket yields do improve. Also bear in mind to protect market share costs money/yield-adding seats on LGW and delivering a small decline will have hit EZY, the main looser I would imagine would be BE. Interesting to see STN figures when available.
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Remember EI has a deal with BHD with regards to landing fee's and a few other things for X amount of years, so they will have a bit more to play with before they run into trouble.
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Do they? Really? What deal?
Why is EI going to run into trouble? They were already in the LHR market and Belfast market generally, they seem to have had no bother attracting pax onto LGW and using smaller a/c on routes that will deliver more business pax is surely going to help them if anything. I would say its BE thats in danger given a) their financial situation and b) LGW landing fees which work against them using the size a/c they do.
Why is EI going to run into trouble? They were already in the LHR market and Belfast market generally, they seem to have had no bother attracting pax onto LGW and using smaller a/c on routes that will deliver more business pax is surely going to help them if anything. I would say its BE thats in danger given a) their financial situation and b) LGW landing fees which work against them using the size a/c they do.
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Do they? Really? What deal?
Why is EI going to run into trouble? They were already in the LHR market and Belfast market generally, they seem to have had no bother attracting pax onto LGW and using smaller a/c on routes that will deliver more business pax is surely going to help them if anything. I would say its BE thats in danger given a) their financial situation and b) LGW landing fees which work against them using the size a/c they do.
Why is EI going to run into trouble? They were already in the LHR market and Belfast market generally, they seem to have had no bother attracting pax onto LGW and using smaller a/c on routes that will deliver more business pax is surely going to help them if anything. I would say its BE thats in danger given a) their financial situation and b) LGW landing fees which work against them using the size a/c they do.
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Sorry tigger, thanks for explaining. When WW went to BHD there seemed to be a belief amongst some that it was doomed before it started, then when they pulled virtually every domestic and Irish route some months prior to complete closure we had told you so, totally out of context of the bigger picture. EI too written off, and now proving popular, as always the they can't be making any yield police are out. Both EI and BHD have denied any special deals, I'm sure there's something been offered but in today's climate of financial and competition scrutiny I would imagine it wouldn't amount to a lot.EI being one if the few short haul carriers making profit in Europe and even beating FR in their home turf, I'm sure they have some concept of what they are doing.
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Just to put peoples minds at ease, Aer Lingus are doing very well at BHD 
Its the competition over at BHD that feeling the affects ie-BA and BE. It was only a matter of time before EZY took a slight hit on BFS-LGW and people who think otherwise need to wake up. IMO its only a matter of time before BE drop LGW and as EI have added a 4 daily service EZY will feel the affects of this, have they an increased schedule to LGW for the summer schedule?
Its the competition over at BHD that feeling the affects ie-BA and BE. It was only a matter of time before EZY took a slight hit on BFS-LGW and people who think otherwise need to wake up. IMO its only a matter of time before BE drop LGW and as EI have added a 4 daily service EZY will feel the affects of this, have they an increased schedule to LGW for the summer schedule?
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Just to reinforce what Jamie2K is saying. Aer Lingus got off to a good start.
Some mornings BA dont run the 0640, leaving the 1st departure until 0750, leaving EI with first flight of the day.
Some days E.g. Monday BE have had last flight out at 1425, whereas EI have dedicated 3 flights every day to both London destinations from BHD.
The markets have grown, EI is discounting on LGW but getting their fair share of the cake.
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Some mornings BA dont run the 0640, leaving the 1st departure until 0750, leaving EI with first flight of the day.
Some days E.g. Monday BE have had last flight out at 1425, whereas EI have dedicated 3 flights every day to both London destinations from BHD.
The markets have grown, EI is discounting on LGW but getting their fair share of the cake.
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I'm in the process of booking for London for the end of the month. My meeting is in Blackfriars, and I'm living towards Ballymena. So I'll probably go with EZY to STN...at the London end, a Liverpool Street arrival is handier for me, as is a drive to BFS rather than BHD.
Another meeting that I sometimes go to is at Horseferry, so LGW and then a train to Victoria makes more sense. For that one, I'll look at EI and EZY...again, EZY might win given the drive home over here.
My point is, it's horses for courses. Sometimes EZY makes more sense, sometimes EI. If LHR is the handiest arrival point, then BHD / BFS is almost irrelevant. Don't read too much into all these figures...people will choose the route that makes most sense for their needs for that particular journey.
Another meeting that I sometimes go to is at Horseferry, so LGW and then a train to Victoria makes more sense. For that one, I'll look at EI and EZY...again, EZY might win given the drive home over here.
My point is, it's horses for courses. Sometimes EZY makes more sense, sometimes EI. If LHR is the handiest arrival point, then BHD / BFS is almost irrelevant. Don't read too much into all these figures...people will choose the route that makes most sense for their needs for that particular journey.
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Although the full figures are not available yet for BFS it appears that BHD has has an extra 12K pax per month for Nov and Dec. Since STN from BHD was available last year it would be fair to say that many of these pax may have opted for the Gatwick service, plus there is a 5K drop in the number of pax using LHR. 7K used BHD to STN last year
EZY has only had a minor drop in LGW (average 1K per month) and similar on LTN. The combined STN and SEN route seems to holding OK.
EZY are certainly making in roads on the Midlands market, BHD to BHX down 3.5 K and EMA down 6K.
Agree NWRSG that EZY gives the options of London airports.
Question? If BHD have now has an extra 12K per month to LGW and EI have 90 flights per month then this would be a low LF? Or is it BE that has a low LF. Can anyone with inside knowledge on EI and BE LF's throw some light on this
EZY has only had a minor drop in LGW (average 1K per month) and similar on LTN. The combined STN and SEN route seems to holding OK.
EZY are certainly making in roads on the Midlands market, BHD to BHX down 3.5 K and EMA down 6K.
Agree NWRSG that EZY gives the options of London airports.
Question? If BHD have now has an extra 12K per month to LGW and EI have 90 flights per month then this would be a low LF? Or is it BE that has a low LF. Can anyone with inside knowledge on EI and BE LF's throw some light on this
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