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The race to the bottom continues .. Avion Express is one of a variety of EU fringe bottom feeders employing crews on shocking terms. They are literally worlds apart from mainline TCX. They may even be involved in pay to fly but I'll need to check that. TCX seem hell-bent of self destruction at the minute.
Wonder if they will base an A320 instead of current A321?
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It depends on the solution that the UK agrees with the EU. It's likely if a virtual border is placed between Eire and the Northern Ireland that a hard border will be put in place between the island of Ireland and the island of Great Britain. This means that all traffic from the island of Ireland arriving in the International Arrivals area. Also full Border Force controls will be implemented at Fishguard, Anglesey, Liverpool and Cairnryan. This is what the Brexit vote wanted and the outcome of it. The DUP will not like these border checks on domestic services but unless a full border is implemented on the island of Ireland then they'll not be a border between the EU and the UK. I can't imagine the army, armed Garda/PSNI plus the Irish Customs and the UK Border Force back on the check points. This will be a return to the troubles!!
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Have you ever crossed the border from Canada to the USA? Two of the closest allies anywhere on the globe, and yet it is perfectly normal to get out of your car, speak to CBP, get back in your car and go on your way. If properly managed, it will add 5 - 10 minutes to your journey.
There's a lot of hysteria around Brexit...very little of it justified.
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In regards to this: The three airports have said they "already have a number of our existing and potential airlines ready to commit to flying from Northern Ireland should air passenger duty be removed".
What kind of routes is this inferring? Transatlantic or Europe?
What kind of routes is this inferring? Transatlantic or Europe?
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Given that long haul APD is zero from NI, I would say they're talking about European routes. Iberia Express have said they'd commence Madrid flights from BHD if APD was axed, and Lufthansa have also expressed interest in the past. Ryanair have said on numerous occasions that they'd expand their BFS base as well if the tax was scrapped.
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Why? Why should the establishment of a normal border cause a resumption of the Troubles?
Have you ever crossed the border from Canada to the USA? Two of the closest allies anywhere on the globe, and yet it is perfectly normal to get out of your car, speak to CBP, get back in your car and go on your way. If properly managed, it will add 5 - 10 minutes to your journey.
There's a lot of hysteria around Brexit...very little of it justified.
Have you ever crossed the border from Canada to the USA? Two of the closest allies anywhere on the globe, and yet it is perfectly normal to get out of your car, speak to CBP, get back in your car and go on your way. If properly managed, it will add 5 - 10 minutes to your journey.
There's a lot of hysteria around Brexit...very little of it justified.
Ok for one, apart from a couple of wars between the UK and the US around the wars of Independence there's never been conflict between Canada & the US. Two, look at Londonderry/Derry, the road signs are vandalised constantly showing the built up resentment, areas there with the tricolour and pro IRA Murials next to the Union Flag and anti catholic murials plus the peace walls still in place. Three, there's umpteen terrorist organisations still involved in major crime including the the rIRA, pIRA, INLA, UVF, UFF and the Red Hand Commandos. Four, the violence around marching season. Five, the comments from both sides, the Nationalist who will never accept a Border as Ireland is one Country and the Unionists who'll never accept any reduction in U.K. rule. Six, they can't even agree to Stormont. Seven, you say people will just jump out show their passport and jump back in, the majority of the Nationalist movement would refuse, sit on their car horns and protest like they did before. It's a mess, was warned about and will lead to the break up of the UK.
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Ok for one, apart from a couple of wars between the UK and the US around the wars of Independence there's never been conflict between Canada & the US. Two, look at Londonderry/Derry, the road signs are vandalised constantly showing the built up resentment, areas there with the tricolour and pro IRA Murials next to the Union Flag and anti catholic murials plus the peace walls still in place. Three, there's umpteen terrorist organisations still involved in major crime including the the rIRA, pIRA, INLA, UVF, UFF and the Red Hand Commandos. Four, the violence around marching season. Five, the comments from both sides, the Nationalist who will never accept a Border as Ireland is one Country and the Unionists who'll never accept any reduction in U.K. rule. Six, they can't even agree to Stormont. Seven, you say people will just jump out show their passport and jump back in, the majority of the Nationalist movement would refuse, sit on their car horns and protest like they did before. It's a mess, was warned about and will lead to the break up of the UK.
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Ok for one, apart from a couple of wars between the UK and the US around the wars of Independence there's never been conflict between Canada & the US. Two, look at Londonderry/Derry, the road signs are vandalised constantly showing the built up resentment, areas there with the tricolour and pro IRA Murials next to the Union Flag and anti catholic murials plus the peace walls still in place. Three, there's umpteen terrorist organisations still involved in major crime including the the rIRA, pIRA, INLA, UVF, UFF and the Red Hand Commandos. Four, the violence around marching season. Five, the comments from both sides, the Nationalist who will never accept a Border as Ireland is one Country and the Unionists who'll never accept any reduction in U.K. rule. Six, they can't even agree to Stormont. Seven, you say people will just jump out show their passport and jump back in, the majority of the Nationalist movement would refuse, sit on their car horns and protest like they did before. It's a mess, was warned about and will lead to the break up of the UK.
I think you're exhibiting some of said hysteria...
Firstly, 'mainstream' terrorism is finished in NI. Sinn Fein could never go back to supporting violence...peace has been too good for them. Their vote has increased in a way that would never have been possible without giving up the gun. While dissident threats remain, they are a remnant.
Secondly, Sinn Fein are probably quite chuffed at the prospect of a hard border...it clearly 'partitions' Ireland, and so they can vociferously argue against it politically.
Thirdly, the 'umpteen terrorist organisations' will also welcome a border. The Troubles in NI were not just about sectarian divides...in fact, as they progressed, racketeering and gangsterism became all too prevalent. And the introduction of a hard border will inevitably lead to smuggling...something these guys will rub their hands in glee at.
Then you talk about the violence around the marching season...this summer has seen the calmest, quietest, most respectful marching season on record. People on both sides are realising that confrontation only damages both sides...I would not have believed it, but sense does seem to be prevailing.
As for those pesky nationalists sitting on their car horns...these same people need to traverse the border day and daily to earn their crust. NI and ROI are inextricably linked, and people on both sides KNOW they need to make Brexit work. Again, if the US and Canada can make it work...
It's not all sweetness and light, but the transformation in NI has been staggering, and it will not be rolled back by Brexit. Even the most recent mood music from the DUP has been surprisingly conciliatory. despite the problems Stormont has faced.
Anyway, can we get back to airplanes?
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A lot of hysteria from people in GB did you notice? They don't have a clue.
The more likely option is an open border with Ireland and a lot more attention paid to "domestic" arrivals from the north. They'll likely have to fudge it. Like the way you CANNOT enter Ireland without a passport when flying out of London. Even BA insist on a pre board check last time I flew.
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Obviously, the only practical solution is to have the border in the Irish Sea.
That means, the border will be at the airports and seaports.
Ireland is complicated, one country with 2 jurisdictions and an invisible border between the Republic and northern Ireland.
The DUP may not like that but at the end of the day, northern Ireland will still be in the UK unless and until the people in both parts of Ireland vote for reunification.
That means, the border will be at the airports and seaports.
Ireland is complicated, one country with 2 jurisdictions and an invisible border between the Republic and northern Ireland.
The DUP may not like that but at the end of the day, northern Ireland will still be in the UK unless and until the people in both parts of Ireland vote for reunification.
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"A country of western Europe consisting of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland; population 64,700,000 (estimated 2015); capital, London. Full name United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."
"A country of western Europe consisting of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland; population 64,700,000 (estimated 2015); capital, London. Full name United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."
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I go to University in Southern England and their ignorance in regards to Northern Ireland is astounding.
If only they knew how much you are costing use it would be a lot worse.
Obviously, the only practical solution is to have the border in the Irish Sea.
That means, the border will be at the airports and seaports.
Ireland is complicated, one country with 2 jurisdictions and an invisible border between the Republic and northern Ireland.
The DUP may not like that but at the end of the day, northern Ireland will still be in the UK unless and until the people in both parts of Ireland vote for reunification.
That means, the border will be at the airports and seaports.
Ireland is complicated, one country with 2 jurisdictions and an invisible border between the Republic and northern Ireland.
The DUP may not like that but at the end of the day, northern Ireland will still be in the UK unless and until the people in both parts of Ireland vote for reunification.
The whole point of cheeks in ROI is to inspect foreign nationals traveling to ROI from the UK. They even check on domestic arrivals at DUB but suspect that's more for practical reasons than legislative give the low numbers.
Info sharing between airlines and both Governments is happening for CTA flights, it will just create significant work for the border forces to keep track and monitor people traveling from NI/ROI to the mainland when/if free movement ends from Europe.
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Go to bed for what? Expressing alternative views that you can't tolerate?
You should take this up with the Scot who brought this nonsense about the border into our thread. It was going fine until who started his Hysteria.
Don't come after me.
You should take this up with the Scot who brought this nonsense about the border into our thread. It was going fine until who started his Hysteria.
Don't come after me.