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Old 27th Apr 2013, 19:15
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This is indeed a strange development by AerLingus given that they want to grow at LHR. Given that BA are a growing challenge now that they are frequent on DUB LHR and are keeping the pressure on on the BHD LHR route, if EI are keen to offload a slot, I would have imagined that BA would be the last airline they would offer it to. Plenty of big airlines out there who would be less sensitive to the timing, e.g. Etihad, Emirates, Qatar. Given that Etihad have shareholding in EI, surely they would have been the natural choice.

If this is true what is in it for EI, perhaps a BA exit from BHD LHR, and a rekindling of the BA/EI relationship of mutual benefit to all parties.

What about EI doing domestic flying for BA at a lower cost, this would allow BA to reploy some 319/320 to LGW....? Possibly getting carried away here.
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Old 27th Apr 2013, 19:34
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Whatever the outcome of this EI will get what they want from BA for the slot as if BA don't want it then I'm sure Virgin will happly take it. I expect they would prefer to fly the aircraft to Europe from DUB in the mornings than from LHR, better profit in doing so, they have dropped the Friday morning departure in July increase from DUB.

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Old 27th Apr 2013, 19:50
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Slot sale

Seems to strange to be true on so many levels:-

- current tie in with VS could well develop further and hence the LHR slots would be part of this
- lots of rumours regarding possible expansion and tie ins with EY and the other carriers to be based in the new T2 at LHR
- Willie was more than happy to jump into bed with FR as part of their "remedies package" and hence I would have thought AL management wouldn't take that lightly
- word on the street is that the AL/BA codeshare relationship has hit rock bottom and could well end due to much of the traffic now connecting in the Middle East and avoiding LHR like the plague

Having said that, this industry never ceases to amaze me and defy logic.
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Old 27th Apr 2013, 20:07
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word on the street is that the AL/BA codeshare relationship has hit rock bottom
and could well end due to much of the traffic now connecting in the Middle East
and avoiding LHR like the plague

Hardly surprising so many people flying direct from DUB to Middle East avoiding LHR. Not with No less than 3 direct flights a day and 4 on some, including Turkish via IST, Emirates and Etihad via the UAE, it was bound to impact heavily on DUB LHR bookings.

Nonetheless, BA needs EI more than EI need them. A failed relationship with EI means that BA need to keep its own metal on LHR BHD and DUB (not that this is in doubt), which can be up to 15 pairs of slots per day. Not many other carriers of scale at LHR can provide the connectivity to other European countries and feed BA. Most are Star or Skyteam.

Keeping the EI linkage should be most important from a strategic point of view. Think of the amount of new destinations that could be served ex LHR with 15 slot pairs, and with new long haul aircraft coming down the pipe, BA need the slots and passenger feed to make these new routes work.
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Old 30th Apr 2013, 16:57
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Aer Lingus will be leasing an former A320 from Iberia for the summer, arrived in the last 40 minutes currently registed EC-KNM. With this and the one remaing A319 there fleet should be covered and be able to cover operations without having to sub other operators.

Currently painted white not sure if they plan on adding the EI livey as it will be leaving in September or October and going to Allegiant Air.

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Old 30th Apr 2013, 21:08
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It will stay white. That way it can cover not only AL ops as a backup but be slotted into Little Red if needed. The agreements with Virgin are supposedly quite restrictive in relation to branding. A white tailed aircraft is okay but a green shamrock would give them problems.
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Old 30th Apr 2013, 21:17
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Surely they understood though when signing the agreement that some of the 3 aircraft over the course of the 4 years would need to be taken out of service be it for scheduled or unscheduled maintainence, would they rather no aircraft or an Aer Lingus branded one?

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Old 1st May 2013, 07:31
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The Lingus Source | and www.thevirginsource.com


This shows where due tech reasons Vs have used EI mainline hulls on lonedilon


Good news re strategy aircraft tho as it was way too tight,
Even resulted in no EI156/7 LHR rotation daily in Apr and this was a high yield flight
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Old 1st May 2013, 10:28
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- Virgin Atlantic News and Information
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Old 4th May 2013, 10:55
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Aer Lingus are to operate 11 weekly services from DUB to BOS during the Winter 2013/14 Schedule - An increase of 4 weekly services against W12/13.
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Old 4th May 2013, 12:29
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Aer Lingus looks to partnerships and new smaller aircraft across the Atlantic for long-haul future | CAPA - Centre for Aviation

I think it'll be interesting to see what the future aviation landscape in Europe looks like in 5 years time, and what part Aer Lingus will play in that. The article mentions Aer Lingus' wet lease deal with Virgin Atlantic and Novair, and potential future deals. Michael O'Leary has already predicted that there won't be any European legacy carriers operating short-haul routes in the future. In a way we're already seeing the start of this with Finnair transferring regional routes to FlyBe, Iberia transferring some routes to Iberia Express and Lufthansa doing the same with a newly branded 'low fares' Germanwings. But the issue for Lufthansa in particular is they've done this without addressing the cost base, and are attempting to operate short-haul routes under a low cost model but with existing union pay agreements as Lufthansa staff. Could this be an opportunity for Aer Lingus to step in and become the 'feeder airline' of Europe, offering legacy carriers the ability to exit unprofitable routes and have them operated by an airline with a lower cost base, thus allowing them to maintain a short-haul presence but at a profit?
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Old 4th May 2013, 22:31
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Looks like the DUB-SFO rumour is gaining momentum:

Aer Lingus mulling San Francisco route | BreakingNews.ie
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Old 7th May 2013, 11:14
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868,000 passengers for April down 2.5%

Short Haul down 3.3%
701,000
Capacity down 3.7%
LF - 68.7% down 2.8

Long Haul up 6.3
84,000
Capacity up 16.5%
LF - 69.3% down 5.3

EIR
83,000 up 5.1%

Investor Relations - Traffic statistics - Corporate Aer Lingus

Easter falling end of March caused the decline.

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Old 7th May 2013, 16:54
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The slot pair EI sold to BA was a very early departure (pre 7 am) and very late arrival.

Whilst the deal was a bit of a surprise the departure slot is too early for long haul and only of use to other short haul operators if they are prepared to night stop another aircraft and crew at LHR.
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Old 7th May 2013, 17:39
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Was the slot pair sold or leased to BA? What EI flight numbers have been removed?
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Old 8th May 2013, 07:59
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Titan 757-200 arriving in Dublin now ( 08:55 BST ) as EIN1330 from Stansted. Subbing on a route later?

Edit: looks like G-POWH, a regular for Monarch services.

Edit2: operated EIN330 to Berlin at 10:20, just landing there now ( 12:10 BST ). Departure was three hours late so perhaps a late wet-lease to cover technical issues?

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Old 8th May 2013, 11:34
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An A321 went tech in TFS last night and isn't due back until 18.00 and Berlin was scheduled for an A321 today so everybody couldn't go if an A320 operated.
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Old 13th May 2013, 10:11
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AC codeshare on all LHR flights

Air Canada / AerLingus Begins Codeshare Operation | Airline Route ? Worldwide Airline Route Updates
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Old 15th May 2013, 10:36
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Share price

Any ideas why the share price has risen approx 10 cent in the last 24 hrs ?
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Old 17th May 2013, 13:17
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Any ideas why the share price has risen approx 10 cent in the last 24 hrs ?
One more thing: AerLingus ADRs take off - Tourism News | Travel & Tourism Industry News | The Irish Times - Fri, May 17, 2013
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