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Well said Shed.
And I would add that the said government has refused grant applications to Peel wrt to MME (with good reason IMHO), so they don't just hand money over to them whatever.
Fact: Peel bought the airport from the councils in a business deal that the council's did not have to accept, but they did.
Fact: Peel are therefore entitled to do what they want (within the law) with the airport.
Fact: Peel are under no obligation to declare their real strategy for the airport to anybody.
If you have nay problems with the above, address them to the councils and the government.
And I would add that the said government has refused grant applications to Peel wrt to MME (with good reason IMHO), so they don't just hand money over to them whatever.
Fact: Peel bought the airport from the councils in a business deal that the council's did not have to accept, but they did.
Fact: Peel are therefore entitled to do what they want (within the law) with the airport.
Fact: Peel are under no obligation to declare their real strategy for the airport to anybody.
If you have nay problems with the above, address them to the councils and the government.
Again, well said Shed. I think in some of the American states it is actually illegal for a company to pay more tax than they are obliged to, as it's regarded as stealing from the shareholders...
And DTVA has been rejected for TWO Regional Growth Fund applications (probably all part of some cunning plan!)
And DTVA has been rejected for TWO Regional Growth Fund applications (probably all part of some cunning plan!)
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The experts are also onto their practices.
Report into Peel.
PEEL HOLDINGS BEAST EXPOSED IN SALFORD AND LIVERPOOL - Salford Star - with attitude & love xxx
"And in a devastating conclusion on Peel's `corporate mentality' the report lists the following traits…
* An indifference to public opinion and a tokenistic approach to public consultation and due democratic process
* Contempt for local government
* A preparedness to enter into any potentially lucrative sector, regardless of experience
* A cavalier attitude to 'soft' (ie: non-commercial) concerns such as public and environmental health
* A similarly cavalier approach to local need and preference
* A readiness to exploit legal loopholes
* A dogged determination, in the face of opposition, to 'win'
* Corporate 'combativeness' – Peel is prepared to fight its corner in the highest courts
* A preparedness to abandon 'sinking ship' projects if and when these prove to be unprofitable
In the Preface to the ExUrbe report, the chair of its Trustees, Peter Kilfoyle writes of Peel…
"That dominance - with no real democratic accountability – makes it necessary to throw a light on the practices, finances and record of Peel. Only with a transparent account of the organisation is it possible to properly assess and judge the nature of the beast to which the Liverpool City Region is now harnessed."
PEEL HOLDINGS BEAST EXPOSED IN SALFORD AND LIVERPOOL - Salford Star - with attitude & love xxx
"And in a devastating conclusion on Peel's `corporate mentality' the report lists the following traits…
* An indifference to public opinion and a tokenistic approach to public consultation and due democratic process
* Contempt for local government
* A preparedness to enter into any potentially lucrative sector, regardless of experience
* A cavalier attitude to 'soft' (ie: non-commercial) concerns such as public and environmental health
* A similarly cavalier approach to local need and preference
* A readiness to exploit legal loopholes
* A dogged determination, in the face of opposition, to 'win'
* Corporate 'combativeness' – Peel is prepared to fight its corner in the highest courts
* A preparedness to abandon 'sinking ship' projects if and when these prove to be unprofitable
In the Preface to the ExUrbe report, the chair of its Trustees, Peter Kilfoyle writes of Peel…
"That dominance - with no real democratic accountability – makes it necessary to throw a light on the practices, finances and record of Peel. Only with a transparent account of the organisation is it possible to properly assess and judge the nature of the beast to which the Liverpool City Region is now harnessed."
Northbound - so you're saying that Peel acts to maximise returns to shareholders and considers itself bound only by laws passed by Parliament and legal contract.
Isn't that what companies are meant to do anyway ?
Companies are not democracies at the whim of residents of a local area, and never have been
Isn't that what companies are meant to do anyway ?
Companies are not democracies at the whim of residents of a local area, and never have been
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Come on....
Beafboud/Norther,
(Sorry...your post morph into one).
I haven't seen any post that "supports" Peel. Merely the recent posts state the facts in a sensible, pragmatic way. Your posts are simply copy and pastes of your all your recent moans.
I certainly don't support Peel; under their tenure the airport has gone into decline, and likely a permanent one - despite the effort of the well intended local management.
If you had a business, what would you do? Mine would be to find a way of maximising returns for the owners. Isn't that what Peel are doing? Do I like it? No. Because it is clear that they will get greater returns from non-commercial aviation which is where I would like it to be.
I would be more critical of Peel if MME was isolated around the UK as the only "sub regional airport" that isn't doing well. Look at Manston. Even the regionals in the big cities have struggled for growth. Look at the airlines - many have consolidated or gone under. Look at the economy. Look at the local economy. Look at the global economy. Look at fuel prices when DTVA was at its peak. Look at fuel prices now. Look at ticket prices in 2005. Look at them now.
The world has changed - get over it. I wish it were different - but it isn't. And hitting copy/paste on a keyboard doesn't change that.
Is there still a market for traffic? Could Thomsons have been retained? Undoubtedly...yes. But is it sustainable in the current climate so that the owners can deliver their returns....well clearly Peel think 'no'.
Their PR has been appauling and the owners probably have no interest in running the airport....I give you that.
But that is business. That is the state of regional airports. That is the state of the airline industry. That is the state of our economy.
Move on...
Or better still....cobble some money together, buy it off them, use your knowledge of the industry and business to turn it into a success. If you can't cobble the cash together with some fellow villagers; apply for a job there....turn it around as you appear to have the answers. Or, if that doesn't appeal...given your expertise and need to speak to the relevant people; get in with FODTVA and express your opinions directly....why wouldn't they listen if you're right?
Alternatively, you could keep hitting copy and paste on a keyboard....
(Sorry...your post morph into one).
I haven't seen any post that "supports" Peel. Merely the recent posts state the facts in a sensible, pragmatic way. Your posts are simply copy and pastes of your all your recent moans.
I certainly don't support Peel; under their tenure the airport has gone into decline, and likely a permanent one - despite the effort of the well intended local management.
If you had a business, what would you do? Mine would be to find a way of maximising returns for the owners. Isn't that what Peel are doing? Do I like it? No. Because it is clear that they will get greater returns from non-commercial aviation which is where I would like it to be.
I would be more critical of Peel if MME was isolated around the UK as the only "sub regional airport" that isn't doing well. Look at Manston. Even the regionals in the big cities have struggled for growth. Look at the airlines - many have consolidated or gone under. Look at the economy. Look at the local economy. Look at the global economy. Look at fuel prices when DTVA was at its peak. Look at fuel prices now. Look at ticket prices in 2005. Look at them now.
The world has changed - get over it. I wish it were different - but it isn't. And hitting copy/paste on a keyboard doesn't change that.
Is there still a market for traffic? Could Thomsons have been retained? Undoubtedly...yes. But is it sustainable in the current climate so that the owners can deliver their returns....well clearly Peel think 'no'.
Their PR has been appauling and the owners probably have no interest in running the airport....I give you that.
But that is business. That is the state of regional airports. That is the state of the airline industry. That is the state of our economy.
Move on...
Or better still....cobble some money together, buy it off them, use your knowledge of the industry and business to turn it into a success. If you can't cobble the cash together with some fellow villagers; apply for a job there....turn it around as you appear to have the answers. Or, if that doesn't appeal...given your expertise and need to speak to the relevant people; get in with FODTVA and express your opinions directly....why wouldn't they listen if you're right?
Alternatively, you could keep hitting copy and paste on a keyboard....
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Fact: MME handled around 900k how ever many years ago.
Fact: This passenger volume (and the volume lost) came almost entirely from the bmi group.
Are all of you moaners seriously holding Peel responsible for the demise of bmi and bmibaby?
The sad reality is, and this may be difficult for some to stomach, is that the decline at MME is not Peel's fault. When the bmi group left, seriously who was going to replace them? No one, at least not on the same scale and deliver 700k passengers a year.
Add into this MME probably sits in the most deprived and economically repressed part of the UK and really from an airlines point, it's just not attractive. All these people who moan they can't fly to Palma anymore. I get it, it's annoying and to the public a bit bemusing. But the fact is they only want to fly to Palma if they can get the flight for £100, it's just not profitable for an airline to do that. Charge them £200 and they go back to NCL.
Is any of this Peel's fault or within their control? No.
Have they invested money? Yes, and they continue to do so. The airport looses millions of pounds a year, who pays for that? Peel. Who keeps the staff employed? Peel …
Would another owner have done things differently? Exactly what could they have done when the bmi group went bust? And do people really think Peel haven't been talking to airlines about growth … ?
I can see why they asked Thomson to leave, anyone can look and see to staff up (security, handling, fire etc) for 1 737 a week is going to cost more than you can hope to make back in revenue so why do it, no real likely hood of growth so ...
Personally, I see a future for MME, but not as it once was, that's sad for times gone by, but times change.
Fact: This passenger volume (and the volume lost) came almost entirely from the bmi group.
Are all of you moaners seriously holding Peel responsible for the demise of bmi and bmibaby?
The sad reality is, and this may be difficult for some to stomach, is that the decline at MME is not Peel's fault. When the bmi group left, seriously who was going to replace them? No one, at least not on the same scale and deliver 700k passengers a year.
Add into this MME probably sits in the most deprived and economically repressed part of the UK and really from an airlines point, it's just not attractive. All these people who moan they can't fly to Palma anymore. I get it, it's annoying and to the public a bit bemusing. But the fact is they only want to fly to Palma if they can get the flight for £100, it's just not profitable for an airline to do that. Charge them £200 and they go back to NCL.
Is any of this Peel's fault or within their control? No.
Have they invested money? Yes, and they continue to do so. The airport looses millions of pounds a year, who pays for that? Peel. Who keeps the staff employed? Peel …
Would another owner have done things differently? Exactly what could they have done when the bmi group went bust? And do people really think Peel haven't been talking to airlines about growth … ?
I can see why they asked Thomson to leave, anyone can look and see to staff up (security, handling, fire etc) for 1 737 a week is going to cost more than you can hope to make back in revenue so why do it, no real likely hood of growth so ...
Personally, I see a future for MME, but not as it once was, that's sad for times gone by, but times change.
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Oh the irony. The governments of the last decade did what they could to appease the Eco-warriors by destroying domestic flying within the UK. Not this regional fund is in place to potentially reinstate routes that now need subsidies in order to run. If the government hadn't destroyed the UK domestic and short haul business we wouldn't need this and arguable MME wouldn't be the ghost town that it is today.
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appease the Eco-warriors by destroying domestic flying within the UK
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Domestic travel absolutely fell after the introduction of APD and I'd put money on saying it had slowed growth drastically. Remember Ryanair's ten a day PIK-STN service? APD contributed significantly to the demise of the the route. EZY NCL-STN, gone. Biggest regional airline operating domestic flights throughout the UK - on the brink. If you think that APD has not damaged the UK domestic network then you're deluded.
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"Aero Centre" trademark application by Peel.
News for DTV.
Aero Centre trademark application.
Peel must have plans to turn DTV into an airport???
United Kingdom Intellectual Property Office Publishes Application for Trademark "Aero Centre" to Durham Tees Valley Airport for Various Services - Avionics Intelligence
United Kingdom Intellectual Property Office Publishes Application for Trademark "Aero Centre" to Durham Tees Valley Airport for Various Services
2014-04-12
South Wales, April 12 -- Durham Tees Valley Airport Ltd., Manchester, has filed the trademark "Aero Centre" on March 12, for various services.
I would have thought it applied to a few airports or are Peel planning to charge the businesses for the use of the Aero Centre name?
Aero Centre trademark application.
Peel must have plans to turn DTV into an airport???
United Kingdom Intellectual Property Office Publishes Application for Trademark "Aero Centre" to Durham Tees Valley Airport for Various Services - Avionics Intelligence
United Kingdom Intellectual Property Office Publishes Application for Trademark "Aero Centre" to Durham Tees Valley Airport for Various Services
2014-04-12
South Wales, April 12 -- Durham Tees Valley Airport Ltd., Manchester, has filed the trademark "Aero Centre" on March 12, for various services.
I would have thought it applied to a few airports or are Peel planning to charge the businesses for the use of the Aero Centre name?
Full list of services quoted on the trade mark application - don't think there's much new we weren't aware of but which if these covers the operation of airline passenger services?
List of services
Class 36
Real estate management; leasing of real estate; property rental services; rental and leasing of commercial premises, retail outlets, shops and offices; financial services relating to purchase of aircraft; financial services relating to leasing of aircraft; insurance services; information and advisory and consultancy services relating to all of the foregoing.
Class 37
Aircraft maintenance; aircraft repair; fuelling services for aircraft; inner and outer cleaning of aircraft; inspection of aircraft prior to maintenance; electrical engineering contractor services; civil engineering construction services; information and advisory and consultancy services relating to all of the foregoing.
Class 39
Aircraft ground services; aircraft runway services; aircraft parking; aircraft apron services; aircraft trucking; aircraft handling; cargo handling; ground traffic control services; air traffic control services; car parking; freight transport; information and advisory and consultancy services relating to all of the foregoing.
Class 36
Real estate management; leasing of real estate; property rental services; rental and leasing of commercial premises, retail outlets, shops and offices; financial services relating to purchase of aircraft; financial services relating to leasing of aircraft; insurance services; information and advisory and consultancy services relating to all of the foregoing.
Class 37
Aircraft maintenance; aircraft repair; fuelling services for aircraft; inner and outer cleaning of aircraft; inspection of aircraft prior to maintenance; electrical engineering contractor services; civil engineering construction services; information and advisory and consultancy services relating to all of the foregoing.
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Aircraft ground services; aircraft runway services; aircraft parking; aircraft apron services; aircraft trucking; aircraft handling; cargo handling; ground traffic control services; air traffic control services; car parking; freight transport; information and advisory and consultancy services relating to all of the foregoing.
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"UNDER THE RADAR"
Now if you take the above in isolation, which it could be!, then as I see it you have all you need to go about "business as usual", which is indeed all that Peel are interested in? 
List of services
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Real estate management; leasing of real estate; property rental services; rental and leasing of commercial premises, retail outlets, shops and offices;
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Real estate management; leasing of real estate; property rental services; rental and leasing of commercial premises, retail outlets, shops and offices;
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Where have the paxs gone ?
I used to work for Midland and covered overtime a MME back in 1996-2000. The BD LHRs were full. So where have all the passengers gone? How do they get to London and beyond now? If an airline could make it work then could someone make it work now. Even an early departure and an evening departure.
Where have the paxs gone ?
So where have all the passengers gone?
2. via AMS,
3. to MAN, LBA and NCL
Presumably BD didn't stop because they were making so much money they couldn't carry it to the bank.
If nobody picked up the route then, it's unlikely that its going to work now the world has moved on.
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Tokenhouse are Peels parent company. Whitty owns 73%.
It looks like the boss is moving shares around. Millions of shares.
And they say there is no money around :roll eyes:
How much did he invest in DTV in the end? £100 or a little bit more
FE Investegate |Intu Properties Plc Announcements | Intu Properties Plc: Director/PDMR Shareholding
It looks like the boss is moving shares around. Millions of shares.
And they say there is no money around :roll eyes:
How much did he invest in DTV in the end? £100 or a little bit more
FE Investegate |Intu Properties Plc Announcements | Intu Properties Plc: Director/PDMR Shareholding
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Where have the paxs gone ?
It's all petty accademic, Midland operated in another age.
No capacity at LHR, slots too valuable to obtain the necessary return on low yield domestic ops. The outcome was inevitable.
Specific answer as per "SWBKCB".
There is unfortunately one other fact & that is that the pax's demand no longer exists at earlier level due predominantly to decline in the regional ecconomy.
It is perhaps from this background that MME (as it was) troubles began
Though I have to point out that the then 
Numbties that were put in charge achieved very little other than pave the way for the Peel circus.
No capacity at LHR, slots too valuable to obtain the necessary return on low yield domestic ops. The outcome was inevitable.
Specific answer as per "SWBKCB".
There is unfortunately one other fact & that is that the pax's demand no longer exists at earlier level due predominantly to decline in the regional ecconomy.
It is perhaps from this background that MME (as it was) troubles began
Though I have to point out that the then Numbties that were put in charge achieved very little other than pave the way for the Peel circus.
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Local tyne tees tv news have just had a story on about NCL airport and the fact that 50,000 pax will be going through it this weekend.
It also said that the airport has just completed a £14 million redevelopment of the departure lounge.
Thats nearly the same amount Peel promised to spend on all of the airport at DTV ten years ago, but didn't.
If they can do it why won't Peel do this just down the road? The pax are obviously wanting to fly.
I wouldn't be surprised if half of those 50,000 pax came from the Teesside area and had to drive 50 miles up the road.
50,000 people to fly out of Newcastle Airport over Easter | Tyne Tees - ITV News
It also said that the airport has just completed a £14 million redevelopment of the departure lounge.
Thats nearly the same amount Peel promised to spend on all of the airport at DTV ten years ago, but didn't.
If they can do it why won't Peel do this just down the road? The pax are obviously wanting to fly.
I wouldn't be surprised if half of those 50,000 pax came from the Teesside area and had to drive 50 miles up the road.
50,000 people to fly out of Newcastle Airport over Easter | Tyne Tees - ITV News